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Yeah, this is just specific beating general. Business as usual.

Under my reading, Ready isnt breaking a rule set for the Magic Action, because it’s a completely different Action, with its own rules for resolution. That these rules overlap with the rules of the Magic action in the specific case of using it to cast a spell is immaterial. You’re not taking the...

Agreed. No, you’re taking the Ready Action. The effects of the Ready Action include casting a spell with a casting time of 1 Action. Much like the effects of the Magic Action include casting a spell with a casting time of 1 Action. They are two different Actions that both include among the...

Yes, correct. And all of this is part of the effects specified by the Ready Action. The Magic Action allows you to cast a spell with a casting time of 1 Action or use a magic item. It is not the only way to do so, however. Another way to do so is to use the Ready Action - a distinct Action with...

“Delay” is not a term that appears anywhere in the text of the Ready action, and thinking of it in those terms is what is leading you to misunderstand how this specific interaction works. Ready is not a special way to perform an action that delays it until a later time, it’s a unique Action with...

🙄 It gives you a way to use your Reaction that you wouldn’t otherwise have. Forgive my slight error in phrasing. The spell slot (or in the case being discussed, the staff charge) gets used up because that’s part of the effect specified by the Ready Action. No, what Ready does is allows you to...

You can’t take two Actions simultaneously, and you certainly can’t take an action in response to a trigger before that trigger has actually happened. Look, it’s very simple. To cast a spell with a casting time of 1 Action, you must take an Action that allows you to cast a spell. Two such...

Right, so that’s when you perform the necessary components and spend the necessary resources Except you’ve already used your Action to take the Ready action. Which explicitly requires you to specify an action you will take (in the future) in response to a specific trigger. In this case, the...

Again, it isn’t just a different label. It’s a completely separate entry in the list of Actions with completely different rules for how to resolve it.

If it wasn’t meant to be a discrete Action, but a special way you could perform an action, it could have been written just after the Actions as a special way to use them instead of among them, as a discrete item in the list.

Ready doesn’t delay any action. It allows you to take another action as a Reaction in response to a later trigger. It’s literally an Action in and of itself. It’s listed as a discrete Action in the Actions section, and the rules treat it as such.

I agree. Which means, you aren’t using the Magic action with the second action Action Surge gives you. You’re using it with the Reaction the Ready action gives you.

Just as if you Ready a spell, you can’t suddenly cast the spell without a slot or the necessary components for it. But in both cases, the action you’ve taken is Ready, not Hide or Magic.

You’re taking the Ready action. The Ready action is an action in and of itself, distinct from the Attack, Dash, Disengage, Dodge, Help, Hide, Influence, Magic, Search, Study, and Research actions. In no other instance does performing a task as a Reaction set up with the Ready action count as...

It’s not that at all. It’s a discrete action, taking which allows you to set up a trigger condition upon which you can use your Reaction to do something that would otherwise require using a different Action to perform, or move up to your speed. In the special case of a spell, you perform the...

I don’t see any reason it would “turn around and bite you in the bum.” It’s a super niche application of the Ready action that you need at least two levels of Fighter and the ability to cast a spell without using a spell slot more than once in the same round to be able to even use, costs your...

It’s not just a separate name, it’s an entirely separate listing in the “actions” section of the rules glossary

The Ready Action is absolutely an action by itself. That’s why it’s found under the “actions” section and written as a discrete action with its own name. It could have been written as a special non-action thing you can do in place of an action, but it wasn’t.

It necessitates declaring the action you will take when the trigger occurs. Which to me clearly indicates that you are not taking that action yet at the time you Ready it. To me, “casting a spell as normal” means performing the required casting components and expending the required resources...

Yes, so if you’re casting these spells of your own power by expending spell slots, this technique definitely doesn't work. But since the player in the opening post was casting both spells from a staff, they are not spending any spell slots. So, whether it works or not depends on if you interpret...