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  1. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Is this a serious question? I stated that emergent play is important to me. You have claimed that the style of play I prefer gives the GM all the power and that So you are stating that, given the one thing you believe leads to another, that the style of play I participate in does not and...
  2. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    @EzekielRaiden you might have missed it, but I said earlier I am not going to engage with you further. This being the case, there is no point in you quoting me and asking questions.
  3. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    As opposed to hanging out inside, gossiping and plotting. I believe "boffer" refers specifically to the padded weapons.
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  5. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And we're lucky you're here to let huge swathes of people in the hobby know they're wrong. All you're doing is overtly attacking the way other people play because you don't understand it, and then complaining that you don't like the way the people you're attacking defend themselves.
  6. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I missed that. So @Hussar is opposed to the entire notion of emergent play and also the widespread phrase, "create situations not plots". Anyone is welcome to disagree with those things and question their value as advice, but it's not at all constructive to assume that it's a settled point that...
  7. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You spend a lot of time telling other people what they really think. Personally, I don't call anyone at that table a storyteller, because I don't view the purpose of play to be to create a story. I don't believe this is in any way unique to more traditional sandbox players than anyone else. If...
  8. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So, using that logic, and feeling that the game is better with fewer constraints on players, you now understand why placing fewer constraints on the GM benefits the game?
  9. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This, exactly. To which I'll also I add, I don't think that it's mystifying. It might not be a process laid down in clear and formal terms, but neither is it some esoteric ritual. It's just a matter of making calls that are consistent and feel right; that's pretty much it.
  10. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But the kind of prep we're talking about here isn't, "These bandits will be attacking this caravan when the PCs arrive on scene." It is instead, "This is a caravan route, and there are bandits that prey on some of the caravans." One of the most likely way this will actually impact play is via a...
  11. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I also haven't seen the Incredibles and don't know the context of its use in that movie. However, I can assure you that the phrase was not invented by the Incredibles and the context it was used in in that movie does not carry any special weight. There is no reason to expect anyone else using...
  12. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I have already conceded, quite explicitly and in the post you just quoted, that you can use the word story that way if you wish. You don't need to continue arguing your case with me if you wish to do so. See the second part of my post for my response once you decide that you will, indeed, keep...
  13. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Any expression of events can be considered a story. But if you use that definition then literally all communication is a story and yes we're all storytellers and now it's pointless to discuss the matter any further. In the context we're discussing, stating a fact isn't storytelling. "My car is...
  14. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    These are essentially questions that apply to all human interaction. There is nothing exceptional about the fact that they apply in the context of TTRPGs. When you interview someone for a job, you don't really know what they're like until well after they start. When you start a new job, you...
  15. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    There's only a contradiction if you consider a location or an NPC to be a story. In the statement above, both the people you're quoting seem to be using these things as a part of the backdrop from which a story will emerge via play, once the players begin interacting with it, so they can...
  16. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Impressive. This is probably the most disingenuous comment in the entire thread.
  17. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I have just reread this. As I mentioned earlier, I had a lot going on at the time and I think that in my distracted state I've misread you and jumped to the incorrect conclusions about what you were saying. What you have said above is not as unreasonable as I first took it to be. the GM should...
  18. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Having given this more thought, I'm really not sure what you're looking for here. We were talking about constraints, so I presume you are asking in what particular way is the GM constrained when running a sandbox in my favoured style, but I've already covered that to the extent that I can...
  19. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I may try and answer this later, but I honestly don't think I have anything to say that is going to be concrete enough for you. I don't have codified procedures and I don't typically analyse the way I game in the way you seem to do for yourself. At the moment, I have too much going on IRL to...
  20. SableWyvern

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The primary and most important constraint is the same one that applies in every game -- the agreement of the group as a whole to distribute power and authority in a particular way. People have mentioned constraints "with teeth" but this is the only constraint that actually has any teeth at all...
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