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In case you're not aware, there is a PtbA version called Seedless Bloom out and about. The people involved seem to have some huge issues with the original authors/publisher and like to go on rants any time Continuum is mentioned, but it is absolutely a spiritual successor...

Again, I'm talking about Dark Sun and templars, not necessarily default 5e Warlocks. And even if the patron can't "take it back", killing your patron is not quite the same as having them take it back.

My analysis is that anyone is welcome to like or dislike any of those mechanics for any reason they want, but they should not suggest that one of them is inherently or objectively more concerning. Dislike whatever you want for whatever subjective reasons you want, but don't then turn around and...

And the function of a fireball is to cause slaughter en masse, burning people to death. In the real world, we've come to generally agree that flame weapons are horrible, and steps have been taken to eliminate their use. You're not doing your position any favours by trying to argue that fireballs...

I'm talking about Dark Sun generally and how I think Templars should work (ie, I believe they should be able to act against their Sorcerer King and, if evil, should be able to be redeemed). I know next to nothing about 5e Warlocks or how suitable they are to represent my preferred Templar...

There is definitely room for redemption arcs and the like. One of the main characters from the books is a Templar who helps overthrow their Sorcerer King, although there is then the question within the game about what happens if you lose access to your source of power. Redemption arcs for...

Reading into what's been said, I have concluded that what they actually mean when saying it's a moral issue is something along the lines of, "This mechanic makes me think about things I find immoral in the real world and thus it makes me uncomfortable." Which means the mechanic itself isn't...

Although @clearstream calls it a moral issue, when he goes into more detail, it appears it's actually just a matter of personal preference: the rule makes him uncomfortable, but it's use or existence is not immoral.

My houserule is that only @kermit4karate's definition of homebrew applies, and determines exactly what it is.

I support an informed decision to use existing material in preference to making your own, as long as its not based on some sense that published authors inherently deserve to exercise any special authority over you at your own table. :cool:

The original boxed set is quite vague an open-ended, leaving lots of space for GMs to make the setting their own. Many of the basic details that are presented in the OBS are then contradicted by later material that locks things down. You can put this down to an unreliable narrator, but I think...

Abalach-Re is a dragon inasmuch as all the Sorcerer Kings are on the path to becoming dragons. They are dragons colloquially, but not true dragons. A brief googling tells me that Farcluun is also on the path, and not a full dragon.

As soon as you say there is only one of something, or it must be rare, everyone wants to make use of a special exception. This applies to writers as much as players. It's why every second Dark Sun adventure seems to have a portal to another world or visitors from elsewhere or whatever, despite...

I am very pleasantly surprised by all the answers on the first page showing people still have a willingness to make the game their own. Keep up the good work, people. (There may be similarly excellent answers throughout the thread, so I'm just as happy with anyone later on with a similar answer.)

Well, that's not mechanical weight, that's in-world consequences. But if you're playing Dark Sun and choose to ignore the moral, ecological and social consequences of what it means to defile, that's not the fault of the setting.

Yeah, I mean if you're going into the game with the attitude, "I am happy to contribute to the utter destruction of the environment, because the alternative is having a little less raw power," then the game is going to let you be that person, but such a concept isn't going to pass muster in a...

For me, it promotes heroic play because it's a setting where being pragmatic and selfish is incredibly easy and boring. The entire setting is a Call to Action. Here are evil, tyrannical sorcerer kings, with cadres of evil mages destroying the world. Here are thousands of slaves being worked to...

Dark Sun has always been this.

I have no idea what this means. [Edit: having separated it out from the rest and read it again after going through everything else in your post, it now makes sense, but I do feel it's written in an overly convoluted manner for something you intend as a brief summary.] If you do not believe...

@clearstream, you asked if it is "okay for posters to disfavour mechanics out of moral concerns" and did so in a fashion that suggests you believe that a moral concern is equivalent to a simple difference in taste where there is no moral component. I responded to say that forming an opinion on...