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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    This, by you, is a refutation? OK, 15 feet, then. Same problem.
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    Pretty much. Especially when they make an effort to make sure you know this would be a Bad Thing. I see 4e as much more tightly focused and balanced than 3e. It's clear that "The Math" is extremely integrated into the game, and without a few months of running it under my belt, I am hesitant to...
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    I'd consider this true except for the bit where the rules go out of their way to state that no one will buy ritual scrolls for more than half price. The authors felt that this was important enough to call out in a colored box. That says, to me, "This is an important part of game balance, not a...
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    Really. REALLY really. Mostly due to the "One mark automatically supersedes another". Again, there's an obvious game balance reason, but there's no internally consistent, universal, model I have found which explains various possible combinations of mark and re-mark. While playing "reverse...
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    The issue to me isn't selling to merchants; both 4e and 3e make it clear that if you sell to a merchant or do your selling "off screen", you'll be shafted, and this is both acceptable and "realistic" -- ask anyone who'se sold Magic cards to a vendor. :) The problem is that 3e leaves open the...
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    You are correct I'm misuing the term "fourth wall" -- I don't know of a word for "Those Ed Wood moments when you see the cameras in the shot". Call it an "Outtake moment" -- when you see the actors acting and then suddenly they all break down laughing and drop character and sometimes switch...
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    5)Recognize that no game system is perfect, but that the only way game systems get BETTER is if people point out their flaws so they can be analyzed and corrected.
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    Well, actually, in terms of 4e, they DON'T. They favor the players taking what the DM puts into the game and turning that into whatever magic items the players want their characters to have, with any excess being given to Mysterious Traveling Merchants who buy the items for half price and then...
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    That Balance Uber Alles is not the be-all and end-all of rules design? That "I'm not running an economic sim, so what do I care?" is not self-evidently the only response to issues about 4e's somewhat dubious economic rules? That I wrote some stuff, realized I was drifting seriously off topic...
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    D&D 4E 4E multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    It's not. It's just (IMO) a reaction to a paradigm shift, akin to "How can DWARVEs be Wizards? How can half-orcs be paladins?" when 3e came out. The idea that "Anyone can perform a ritual if they have training/a scroll with clear instructions" is pretty common in fantasy literature. Many...
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    D&D 4E Forked Thread: 4e And 4th Wall, was multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

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    D&D 4E 4E multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    Deleted as it is off topic and I forked the thread.
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    D&D 4E 4E multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    Usually, that's because the stores make the things they sell and charge you for the labor. But if you do the labor, usually, YOU get to charge someone ELSE for it...but as written, that can't happen. Out of the entire world, only the PCs pay a markup on ritual scrolls. NPCs "already have them"...
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    D&D 4E 4E multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    Well, it's D&D. A mound of gold solves EVERY problem. :) Adventuring is usually the best way to get a mound of gold, thus, no matter your problem, you become an adventurer. (Me, I want to know why the ONLY people who will pay full price for Ritual scrolls are the PCs. According to the rules...
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    D&D 4E 4E multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    True. I was looking at it in the context of a warlock who'd be using a dagger... IAE, the multiclass feats are probably among the most powerful at Heroic Tier, both because they're equal to "Skill Training...Plus" and because they "unlock" any number of possibilities (cross training, paragon...
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    D&D 4E 4E multiclassing - is Arcane Initiate too powerful?

    Just to point out what seems to be a common misconception -- you do NOT need Ritual Caster to cast a ritual from a scroll. Your 24th level fighter can cast any ritual he wants, with no feat investment, provided he has a scroll and the appropriate components. Hell, a first level fighter can --...
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    RP Ability Descriptions - How much leverage do you give?

    I had a cleric of the spider goddess in my 3x game heal herself by summoning swarms of tiny spiders which spun webs to close the wounds. Her inflict wounds manifested as the tips of her fingers turning into yawning spider mouths, and so on. Individualization of spell effects should be strongly...
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    Who Will Get the Axe?

    I did. Hmm...with you it's "advice", with me it's "barking orders". Mr. Pot? We have a Mr. Kettle on line two for you. I'm pretty sure ENWorld has a kill filter. If you don't like my writing style, it should be trivial for you to avoid it. There's nothing "substantive" in your post to...
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    Who Will Get the Axe?

    And what does this have to do with the post I was responding to, which claimed the 4e launch could not be considered a financial success? I happen to agree that WOTC has managed to squander the good reputation they worked so hard to build back when they first took over D&D. But how is that...
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    Is it just me, or are WotC minis...

    Well, someone pulled out the Yuan-ti at last night's game, and MY thought was, "Damn, I have GOT to work that into an adventure!"
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