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I'm with you 100% Vigilance, but I thought this thread was going to be about how 4e was going to make it easier to improvise games (as per Whizbang Dustyboots' "improv comedy" link), which I think it just might. Either way, thanks, Wizards.

So in that case, would you predict that wizards would start at +0, and Fighters would start at +5? That would make a lot of sense. Fighters would have a natural 25% bonus over non-melee types, in addition to strength or dex bonuses and class features that increased that edge. As for how to...

I was surprised to see this thread. I've been rejoicing that the purely gamist stuff was getting trimmed, and that the door was opening more for Simulation and Narrativism. Goes to show, given the same facts, perceptions vary. The key for me is that the simulation is changing, not going away...

Yeah, that's where I tripped myself up last night. I think I meant to say that a Fighter 5, rogue 3 who took another level of rogue would get the higher of his current BAB or the *9th level* rogue's BAB. This wouldn't unduly penalize multiclassed characters and would give them stats in the...

Chalk it up to being my 3rd late night in a row, but my OP doesn't make sense even to me at this point. Sorry for the flawed logic, my original idea seems to have gotten lost on the way to the keyboard. I'll try to post coherently tomorrow. Until then, does anyone have any sane posts on the...

By "major issues with epic level play" I mean they required a design kludge that didn't jibe with the rest of the system to fix.

We've heard that the math underlying 4e is different than it is now... how do you guys think that might be? We all know that the varied scales for advancement of BAB and Saves were one of the major issues with epic level play. What if this time around there are no differences between the...

I'm with Atlatl Jones on the psionics (and other 3.5 material that will take a while to update), at least at first. I'd finally gone all out and bought every psionics title I could find... The same thing happened to me when 3.5 was announced. However, there's so much to look forward to...

It could just mean that he took a few levels of wizard for the powers he needed.

I've thought something like this might be a good solution in 3.5. This sounds very right, actually. The only question I have is what happens with the Arcane/divine split? Is a caster level a caster level no matter the source?

Oh, and Snu- Congrats on your first post and welcome to the boards. I'm not sure how your idea would work- mind explaining it a bit more? It really does seem like one level of wizard would turn a high-leveled dumb fighter type into Elminster, albeit with lower leveled spells. I know my idea has...

That would be the first thought, but I was imagining that there could be other desirable talents worth giving up the highest level spells over. What if what are currently metamagic feats were instead metamagic talents, etc. At this point though, I'm not sure if I still think my original post...

Your idea works too. I also think it's more streamlined, and thus more likely to be right.

I hope I'm not duplicating a thread again... Something just came to me, based on some of what we’ve heard about 4e: -There are 25 levels of spells. -There are 30 class levels. -Talents from d20 Modern and Saga seem to be part of the system. -Multiclass casters will be “viable” but less...

Me too. I'm actually cautiously optimistic;from what little I know (as much as everyone else who watched every video they could find), it seems like this edition is embracing the story elements of the game more than 3.X's "back to the dungeon" philosophy ever did. Hopefully with streamlined...

Art and graphic design I really like the new logo and the art I've seen seems to be less dungeonpunk and more like the classic stuff, albeit updated for modern sensibilities. It seems to be less random posing, and more dramatic scenes... What do you guys think? What are your hopes for the art...

I don't have anything constructive to add either, but I do have to say that if someone came to me with this character in a game I was running, the first scene of the campaign would be an epic lightning storm with no saves. I mean that in the best possible way. :D

Thanks everyone. I ended up going with the Spell Compendium. I've only read a few entries, but I feel like I got my money's worth.

Exciting suggestions. Thanks!

Actually, how's this- assume I like what you like. What do you consider indispensable?