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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Considering the thousands of NPCs I've mowed down in video games and that study after study has shown no ill effect, I'm not too concerned either.
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    D&D General D&D memes thread discussion…

    Shouldn't that be a giant air elemental? Perhaps even a tornado?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The stats for a creature are just there to represent a fictional creature that exists in our shared imagination. Ogres are one of those monsters that, like dragons, have a pretty clear depiction in fantasy literature and non-game depictions. The rules of the game didn't match expectations for...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Nobody claims they aren't different monsters according to the rules. That doesn't mean they aren't the same monster in our shared modern fantasy fiction. Some may be more skilled or dangerous than others but the dichotomy of the "low level" ogre having over a hundred HP vs an ogre with far...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Whether or not that was the intent (and they were often not used that way), that was my point. Minion ogres no longer ogres, they're paper cutout narrative set pieces. If you wanted Cronut to wade through dozens of lackeys, there are plenty of low level monsters that could fill that role. While...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Meanwhile I've made up almost an entire sessions because the players went a different direction than anticipated. One of them commented towards the end of the session when they didn't think I was listening that they didn't know how i had anticipated what they would do. Other times, because I...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But that goes back to whether or not someone wants monsters to just fill a narrative role and did minions fill that role. If I want a game that leaned into narrative tropes, I wouldn't play D&D. It's a matter of preference of course but for me minions just never worked. They always felt like...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I've stated my opinion that there are game mechanics that will not work for me. As I have stated repeatedly that does not make them inherently bad mechanics. I accept that other people have different tastes in games than I do and I'm tired of the baseless accusations.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I disagree, although landing in the middle of the commoners wouldn't make much difference. If they are designed so that a half dozen heroes can take them out then focused fire from a hundred individuals should be a threat. Not much else to say.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    My example showed that they easily take out 100 commoners that are prepped, ready and waiting in the middle of the day even using suboptimal tactics.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If you have an issue with the scenario see my detailed options above. I just don't see an issue if the dragon acts like the 16 intelligence monster it is.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Longbow just add a few points of damage and don't change much. If the villagers are in town, then buildings will be in the way. Dragon flies in low, sets buildings on fire. Next time they have cover from the fire and smoke. Maybe they attack at night. That or the dragon just drops burning logs...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I would have something like DR 10, negated by adamantine arrows.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It depends on what you're trying to simulate. Want dragons that can be challenged by half a dozen heroes but not by a thousand archers and (see above) a suicidal dragon? That would require a different to the game. Doesn't make D&D less of a sim, it just doesn't meet your personal criteria...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Hypothetical: 1 Dragon vs 100 peasants (commoners) First, the idea that dragons would not be unstoppable killing machines for NPCs was a design choice. I remember an article long ago talking about this, that cities should be able to defend themselves. If the cities couldn't dragons would rule...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Right. So the 150 peasants (which used to be 50) are all out in a field waiting for the dragon. Why on earth would the dragon fly into position to be targeted by all of them? I don't disagree with the math of your hypothetical, I don't see why it matters.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    If you set up hypothetical situations and have suicidal dragons it doesn't really prove anything. Focused fire from enough enemies is effective but not really a design concern. Maybe in a bit I'll write up what I think a dragon would do.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Let me get this straight 150 peasants (why not 1,000? 10,000?) armed with slings at the ready all have clear shots at the dragon because it's an open field with no cover in formation so as to not be taken out by a breath weapon ready to attack the moment the dragon appears the dragon...
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