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it sounds like a different game? i didn't just imagine 4e right? like, i might not of played it but i've got a pretty solid understanding that 5e's older sibling had a whole range of purely 'martial' classes that managed to be mundane, powerful and effective through levels 1-20 didn't it?

contrary to what you claim when you open this paragraph the entire rest of this feels like an statement on how money doesn't actually matter in your game, like you're saying "money matters so little to us for us so we don't even bother tracking it"

superman would still have his physical power, his toughness, his supersenses, his...actually i don't know if he really has a healing factor but i assumes there's something in there somewhat, and skill and technique, that superman martial i would believe would compete on the level of archwizards...

no, why shouldn't a mundane martial be able to go toe-to-toe with gods, demons and eldritch abominations and come out victorious? they manage to in stories, they have in previous editions even! and if people want to play those kinds of characters then they should be able to.

i really don't appreciate the smarm and would appreciate if you just didn't also, what list? i don't recall giving any lists?

captain america is so SO far behind being anywhere near the martial equivalent of a 20th level caster though it's ridiculous! archwizard magnificus rocks up with the capabilities of Gate, Meteor Swarm, Shapechange, Time Stop and Wish and we're meant to believe cap stands on equal footing with...

i would maybe need to chip off some of superman's various powers like flight, X-ray vision, eye beams and frost breath (and the reliance on sunlight) before calling them an example of a martial, but otherwise yes, that is what i would want the epic 20th level fighter to be in the ballpark of...

personally i don't like the existence of multiclassing, i don't like how it's existence needs to be factored in and accounted for when Wizards design classes, i would rather it were removed and there were more feats and/or classes designed to facilitate cross-class character concepts

wealth may be a superficial factor in their ability to get the training, but it doesn't alter their underlying capability to learn.

magic IMO is a type of energy, a type of energy that can be used to alter reality, but as with energy, heat is not light and force is not sound, and categorising all extraordinary phenomena in DnD as 'magic' is like categorizing all forms of energy as heat. if we compare magic to electricity...

i would prefer if we didn't, we don't need to add unnecessary jargon to the discussion.

most people in our world possess the potential of training to become an athlete or a doctor, so you tell me why we aren't up to our armpits in olympic runners and brain surgeons? it's exactly the same reason why.

*can’t I think you meant here

I just got a ping saying my message was quoted in this, did you edit?

The laws of physics still exist and things are pretty much all the same (more or less as they’re managed to be simulated by game rules) the only difference is that when they train for it people can become stronger, faster, tougher than they can in the real world, I don’t see what’s so hard to...

there's still the fact this fails the fantasy for the people who want their characters to be powerful and competent by their character's own merits, where the awesomeness is part of the character rather than all the trinkets they're carrying, if the guy next to me could be just as powerful if...

training, training is the explanation of the origin of their extraordinary abilities, after all, that's all the wizard did, except they trained a different part of their body. magic is the quick and easy path to power, but these guys, the fighter and the rogue? they took the slow and hard path...

Being part of the top percentile on the bell curve?

i think 11-20 class levels do need to exist, but i wonder whether they need to exist as basegame content, 1-20 character progression, 1-10 class progressions. alternately, i could see a system where you distil the classes down more, remove subclasses and convert their ideas into more fleshed...

i think one of my favourite examples of transmundane-ism comes from discworld, where a forcibly retired death (meaning he doesn't have his powers, he's functionally a mortal) takes a regular old beaten-up farm scythe and with all his millennia of experience of wielding scythes, proceeds to...