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  1. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    I'm saying that my fundemental beliefs about things have remained mostly the same throughout my life, and havent simply evaporated at certain ephemeral cutoff points, despite peoples constant assertions that they would. Artistic expression being subjective is a fact, because of its nature...
  2. Merlion

    Cthulhu Trailer

    In the Mouth of Madness is basically like a Lovecraft pastiche written by King yes. That still makes it Lovecraftian. Also I'd say Lovecraft was more than a bit of an influence on King, and not just in his early writing. The entire Dark Tower contains strong Lovecraftian elements, as does IT...
  3. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Well, if I am as immature and unintelligent as you keep insinuating, why do you respond to my posts? And how exactly can it be problematic for me, when I just explained that all the things you people seem so worried about...that I'm going to give up on writing, or be destroyed the first time...
  4. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    None of my ideas have ever "passed" despite people frequently insisting that they would. And facts are even less likely to "pass", and the fact that in the end, artistic efforts are a matter of subjective opinion that are all possessed of a certain intrinsic worth or value (for what they...
  5. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Those arent issues of opinion, they are issues of fact. Of course its still possible for a person to hold an opinion that is contrary to fact, and that is the one case where an opinion is simply wrong, because it isnt an opinion issue. Its a fact that humans are humans regardless of skin colour...
  6. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Ok before we proceed with anything else, since it seems to have become an issue for some and people appear to have gotten some incorrect impressions, I'm going to say a bit about my own writing. First, although I have mentioned this before, and I realize most of you may not believe me, this...
  7. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Again, I dont want to turn this thread into a fight. I'm sorry if anything I said offended you.I apologize for that. I dont think people who take courses or whatever in this things wasted there time (in general) but I also dont believe it gives them the ability to dismiss other peoples opinions...
  8. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    I'll find you some short ones. Or I may just send you whatever, but dont feel pressured to read anything right away, just whenever you feel like it and have a spare moment. I'll distinguish the short ones from the not as short (though honestly most of my stuff is under 10 pages single spaced)...
  9. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Exactly. Thanks for clearing that up so nicely Smurfy.
  10. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Storm Raven has made it extremely clear that he considers not just some art, but the majority of art produced to be "crap." That, among other similiar statements, both here in this thread and in the past is why I said that, not because he disagrees with me. That opinion is, at least to me, an...
  11. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    If you have read a book, seen a movie, or viewed a painting, you have non-faulty information about it, and can certainly form an opinion of it. So, let me refine it further: no one's opinion of a work of art with which they are familiar is ignorant. I realize your going to disagree, but...
  12. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    The stuff on that site is old, I've done a lot since. If you'd like, I can send you some newer stuff. I'd enjoy your input tremendously.
  13. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    First, I want to thank you for your contributions to this discussion, and my little journey of understanding. Next, you are partially right. My views in this are influenced by my belief that all people have value and worth and potential. Also my belief that the creative pursuits...storytelling...
  14. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    sigh. I suppose I should have said "no ones opinions about art are ignorant" Any better?
  15. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    I realize I'm going to get attacked for this, but I'm saying it anyway because your posts in both threads have been insightful and respectful, and so I'm responding to this with my exact, unvarnished thoughts. You are right that there isnt anything further to discuss as far as wether art is...
  16. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    This is even better. I agree with what you have said wholeheartdly, and you've put it better than I could. I'm deccent at telling stories and describing things, but I've always had trouble trying to articulate my feelings about issues, and the reasons for things I believe. You've managed it...
  17. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    This is basically what I am getting at. Some parts of a work of art *might* be considered objective, maybe, but many aspects of it simply cant be. You also bring up the issue of purpose, which is an important one as well. It might not be a bad idea to back up a bit and do a little discussing...
  18. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    It flies in the face of conventions accepted by some...maybe even most. But most isnt all. Honestly until very recently everyone I knew was of the opinion that art was entirely subjective. All my life I've seen art used as THE example of something subjective, to contrast objective things...
  19. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Thats essentially what I am saying...that it all has worth (although I wouldnt apply the term "bad" to something with worth but thats not really an important issue). As for the majority rule thing, I said "see above" as in a previous post where I explained why I disagree with the idea that we...
  20. Merlion

    The Value of Art, or, "Bad" is in the Eye of the Beholder

    Mark Hope, I am getting to you, just taking my time and trying to decide how to put things forth. Plus I'm laying groundwork for a new story ;-)
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