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Your probably right, but there are two situations where I think its somewhat important. One, in a discussion like this where wether something is opinion or fact is part of the crux of the discussion. Two, this being part of what started this for me, when giving your opinion of a piece of...

I've never seen anyone seriously disagree that water doesnt flow uphil, or that rocks are hard, or that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. But I've seen a lot of people disagree over wether an artistic work was "good" or "bad"

Yea, spelling and grammar are objective, but we're acting under the assumption that anyone writing anything knows at least the basics of those

Also I just want to make it very clear to everyone several things. I apreciate, enjoy, and respect all the opinions presented here, even if I feel that some of them are incorrect. I also apreciate everyone keeping things so civil, and (for the most part) refraining from stating their...

If thats the case then theres not much point in discussing anything because we already know the "experts" are right and everyone else is wrong. And, it would also mean, if you want to take it to its final conclusion, that not all people are created equal either. Because a person mostly...

I'm not ignoring them, I just dont believe they are the final authority, or that they are objective in the same way that water not running uphil is objective. I believe that they are simply subjective opinions. The fact that they are commonly held doesnt make them something else. It does make...

I do not believe that an opinion being widely held...even being held by the majority, automatically makes it better than any other opinion, and it definitely doesnt change an opinion into a fact, or a subjective matter into an objective one. There are many reasons why and examples of why this...

Trouble is, its only partially accurate, as I discuss above. Most of science is objective because it deals with things that can be conclusively proven or disproven, based on physical facts. People can deny them, but not reasonbly. As I said before, you can opine that water runs uphill all you...

Or because they can be objectively, empirically proven, such as the water doesnt flow uphill example. What you describe is only the case in the situation of phenomena that are impossible to study directly or conclusively, like quantum physics and the like. But thats why those areas of science...

This I think is the one place where we actually disagree.All the others stem from it as well, such as the enjoyment/quality seperation. to me, "objective opinion" is an oxymoron, no matter how widely the opinion is held. Because theres always going to be to many people who disagree with the...

Thats not my intent or meaning. My only meaning in that area is that if someone enjoys it, it has worth and value and is not "bad", even if it fails to meet certain peoples pseudo-objective (thanks for that term Umbran) standards of craft. Pseudo-objective is just what I've been getting at...

This is a pretty good analogy, but it does have a flaw. The nutrional value of food is a totally objective, physical fact that can be empirically proven and studied. Art is not like that. I aknowledge them, but I also aknowledge that they are subjective. They are basically a group of...

See I like this. First because you state its your personal opinion, not a universal fact. However, aside from that, I do agree. To me, there is a difference between good, which I believe all works are simply because there are those they are good for, and great which is what you describe...works...

Well, I'm not sure what the point of your writing the post was if you dont plan to continue, and I dont think we need to "agree to disagree" (I hate that phrase with a burning passion), partially because I dont think we really and truly disagree on much. I am going to respond, and I wish...

I thought otherwise, because what you said before, and what your saying now contradict one another. However, and I dont mean this in an belligerent way, merely as a statement of fact, if you truly believe that some peoples opinions (and I dont mean professional knowledge about objective topics...

About you and I, your probably right, although I'd love someone to explain to me how enjoyment and quality can be totally seperate things in a work created mainly to entertain... However, I disagree about the discussion as a whole. The issues being discussed have many facets, and I think as long...

This is the part I'm not so sure about. I still see their being to much disagreement among both regular readers and so called "experts" for their to be some final, absolute objective scale. For instance the "expert" you quoated who while certainly mentioning Eragon's flaws, also called it a...

I dont see how anyone could possibly think that, let alone know it. How someone could believe that the time and thought put into a work of art can be meaningless just because someone doesnt like it, or it doesnt fit certain criteria is beyond me for several reasons. Some people are going to...

I dont see how they cant in terms of subjective persuits like art. This is not an especially good analogy, for a wide range of reasons. One because its using a task with an obviously objective and easily measurable goal (get the bricks to wherever) compared with a subjective effort whose...

when the person writing it claims that its a fact.