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Hrm... in the group that I was in up through about 22, Grappling was typically a swift death sentance for the grappler. It was just inviting the rest of the party to pound on the grappler until they were dead (which was often under 1 round). The only one that bothered to concentrate on a...

I think of a Paladin more of a "mounted combatant whose mount dosen't die every other round at high levels" (a Druid is the other core example). Optimally, you charge every round, save against very weak creatures. The anti-evil abilities, spells, etc. are just icing. At high levels, I think the...

Interesting. We just had a Cleric who prepared a few/day, but rarely used them.

I agree that they're a bit stronger than the fighter, unless you do enough combats in a day that the number of rages/day becomes relevant (pretty often at low levels, pretty rare at high). I'm not really seeing that versus a (lucky/smart) Ranger or Paladin, particuarly at mid/high levels.

Grapple ineffective? You lost me. I can see this for a PC with Teleport or Dimension Door, but most 20th level PCs that weren't also major spellcasters that I've seen are lacking these abilities. Are you assuming a continual freedom of movement, or something else?

Rather good for a core build. Personally, I'd take Stunning Fist as the LV 1 bonus feat, and take Improved Grapple instead of Imp. Init. Your opponent may only need a 2 to make the save, but it's nice when it works, and you get it a bunch of times a day. Yeah, the Monk needs a higher speed to...

Actually, I agree with his primary point - at very high levels. Fundamentally, the following will differ between a high-AC Fighter and a High AC monk: Armor: Fighter should be able to get at least +16 between armor and Dex, possibly more with a very high Dex. Of course, in the later case, their...

Abundant Step alone won't help against a flyer (although a fly item will, or possibly missle weapons). If you read the spell, your round ends at the end of the abundant step. You then (presumably) fall at 9.8 m/s^2, since you have no action with which to grapple the Cleric (in any case, you just...

You could remove the belt (hey, we don't care about damage, or hitting, do we?), giving 16,000 to play with. 6,000 in the ring, 7,000 in the Bracers gives another +2 to AC. That gives him another 3,000 to sink in, say a Tumble item. So that gives 28, which is rather good (although not...

Thanks for the clarification; I was reciting from (an apparently poor) memory.

Fighter/Monk I'm not convinced that you've encountered a competant fighter build; a LV 20 fighter with standard wealth should be doing far more on an average round than an unarmed monk with standard wealth. A base of 2d10 is nice, but it dosen't fully compensate for all those "extra 1d6/ 2d6"...

Heh... I've seen a lot of Clerics in play. I've played at least 6 myself. Overall, from playing in easily a dozen campaigns in over roughly 25 years, I'd say it's been the most popular class. Apparently, this is unusual. Some people play their cleric's god(dess)'s beliefs to the hilt (or at...

Some of the best offensive spells are in the Cleric list (harm being an obvious one). A few of the ones missing from that list are in one domain or another. Have you played a Bard and a Cleric? Or at least seen both classes in play? Bards have, at best, 2/3 of the spell power of a Cleric, both...

I agree that the Sorcerer is a varient Wizard which received less thought than it deserved. I disagree that it (or any major spellcaster, for that matter) is underpowered in relation to front-liners, particuarly at high levels. Frankly, at around LV 16+, I find that the Sorcerer is more of a...

Forsaker reply My first estimate of their power was simular, although we differ on the details. At LV 10, I had a value of 411,914 - 561,914, using two different calculation methods for abilities (ability: 100,000 or 250,000; Fast Healing 16,000; SR 85,714; DR 167,200; Tough Defense 18,000...

Sorcerer? I'm suprised at the high number of votes for Sorcerer; I view it as one of the strongest classes at high levels - quite possibly the strongest.

Comparison: Bar4/For10 vs Bar 14 In theory, this should be the levels when the forsaker is strongest in comparison to a traditional class; after this level, the Forsaker will no longer gain anything additional in exchange for the loss of magic, whereas the straight Barbarian will continue to...

A Barbarian 20 is very likely to have an inherent +5 bonus to Str. This is very unlikely for the Forsaker. Also, if you're referring to hit/damage, a LV 20 Barbarian is very likely to have a +9-+10 (total) weapon. A Barbarian of this level would almost certaintely have at least a +6 Con belt...

I agree with your general thrust; that wraithstrike is a problematic spell at high levels. I also agree that Wizards (and all major spellcasters) are too strong relative to non-major spellcasters at high levels. If you really want to see such a build (note that it merely uses a different spell...

Problem #1: Monk Str 13, Cleric 20, Fighter 26. At LV 7, a +4 - +7 relative mod to str is huge. I'd expect the Monk to do poorly. Even if he has a nice Dex, and is using Weapon Finesse, he simply can't deal out comperable damage without Str. Str is more important for a Monk than a standard 1 big...