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And you don't see how something like the mechanics of a charmed condition isn't doing the exact same thing? So, boiled down, we are back to the ol' tried-and-true, "martials can't have nice things," argument? I don't recall the feat saying anything about the user casting Charm Person on the...

For those who say their campaigns never really go long enough to reach 20th level, and so never see higher level abilities come into play, what about changing advancement? Instead of leveling up one level at a time, why not increments of 2 or 3? So combine discrete levels into packets of 2 or 3...

I get that. I can even dig it. But why stop at these two feats? Why aren't you doing that for GWF, for just one example? When they drop a foe, instead of a hard coded bonus attack, why not come up with something different every time, based on your whim?

That is not what jgsugden was getting at. Just because your personal opinion is new, does not mean you brought something new to the topic. Nor does it mean your newly formed opinion is in the majority, while we are at it.

If you read the PHB, in order, expertise belongs to the bard first. So, really, the rogue is stealing it (pun intended) from the bard. ;)

I gave you the first half dozen already. How many more should I excuse as "innocent"? Do we really need to activate the way-back machine and highlight some of your gems from earlier in this thread? Look, I already gave you props for backpedaling and deciding on a better tact. That of actually...

Just one more example of someone trying to twist a conversation, or put words in others' mouths, hoping to recast what was said in a harsher light. I'm used to it. Thanks for the catch.

I would have hoped starting with "I think" would have been clear enough, even for you. Perhaps I ask too much of others. ;p

I don't think I saw anyone mention saurials yet. Not saying I'm craving them particularly. Just adding it to the collective. On a different note, ever since I saw this meme, I can't take centaurs "seriously" anymore...

I think this is the key underlying truth. Every system out there appeals to different people, to different degrees, for different reasons. I never disparage someone enjoying whatever particular D&D edition, or any other RPG system, more than me. Who am I to judge what someone likes? There is...

Hoo boy, that was a good one. I LOLed. Well done.

Though, IMX, barbarians tend to have a higher Con. And barbarians take half damage from a lot of stuff.

Two "cherry-picked" examples, more like. And that's unfortunate, for the honesty of the conversation, IMO. You definitely tried to paint a particular picture, suited to your opinion. Rather than a fair one.

Running? How should I know? You are the one bringing it up. You tell us. I should hope not. What a nightmare that would be, to have the feat list all the topics appropriate in any situation. If only there were people at the table telling a story rather than just reading a sentence out of the...

...saying what though? That's the question being asked of you. One you keep shying away from. What is required of the Diplomat PC to say in order to benefit from this feat? You seem to think it reasonable that the Diplomat PC can stand there for a minute saying random words in alphabetical...

Is there a Backpedaling feat that gives expertise in it? Cuz I think you have it! ;)

The fact that you think those are somehow at odds is probably one of the more frightening thing you've said in this thread. Yikes.

I regret only that I have by one XP to give you on this. Well said.

I like how you used the words, "cannot be broken", like its some immutable truism spanning the multiverse. Darn. If only someone at the table had the authority to adjudicate and make rulings in the moment...