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While I agree, that was my original point of why play style gets targeted in order to avoid discussing the merits of why a mechanic was called bad while still defending the mechanic itself in a roundabout way that cannot be discussed.

Is telling someone that their play style is the wrong fit for a system in order to avoid discussing the merits of why they feel a given mechanic is bad really discussing mechanics?

That cuts both ways though. Sometimes those skills checks are making sure someone else can't "reliably pass [the result of their efforts]" then it's a problem when the resulting skill system's intent collapses into paradox.

While that might be true, I think that more often this sort of rebuttal is used to avoid discussing the merits of why the mechanic was declared "bad" by making it about someone's play style instead of pointing a ray of sunlight at the reasons why someone with a different play style considers it...

That is arguably pretty true about most of the older editions - even still pretty doable even in editions like 3x that went in a somewhat different path. With 5e though it's hard to claim that the extreme end of the scale super hero baselines are pulp anything

I think that it might be an extension of the sometimes fun sometimes silly often memorable effects that you could get from mixing potions transplanted to a subsystem that is more likely to be seen regularly enough to generate those memorable things more often. Although it doesn't really do much...

Denial? Yes you are engaging in denial by dismissing the very idea that there could be a double standard and which has a point where it shifts from inclusivity to exclusion & gatekeeping. @Ruin Explorer too Please. Just stop.

Trouble is the fact that you are unwilling to even discuss the unquestionabledouble standard or ever shifting bar of unquestionable inclusivity review censorship. That refusal to discuss it without attempting to flatly dismiss the possible criticism is what makes your continued focus on the...

I disagree and I'm going to reference a post in one of these recent threads for evidence where someone posted a comic of Batman drawn as a twink explicitly calling out in the comic that the female character finds it appealing while the male finds it uncomfortable. I believe it was even a post...

Tone policing https://www.housing.wisc.edu/2023/12/inclusive-language-series-tone-policing-2/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Oxford%20Dictionary,ideas%20being%20communicated%20and%20is See the bold bit of the post you are tone policing over the term white knighting.

Now you are proving that this is just tone policing unless you don't know what a limbo competition is. Go back and read the rest of post 382 without stopping at the term being tone policed to find the metaphor.

"Typically" or not the post he linked is the very reason I used the term. You not answering the that AnotherGuy posed about the term while tone policing the term itself kinda demonstrates the existence of an early and late stage limbo competition style bar being in place. Having multiple posts...

At what point does this white knighting result in a a complete ban on humanoid artwork by restricting too sexy too fat t& too everything else? At some point long before that it's worth questioning if the respective inclusivity review bars for male artwork and female artwork looks like early and...

Played 1e a couple times as a kid but quit for many years because we moved to a rural area where it wasn't really an option for many many reasons. Found some players in the 90's after we moved to a third state & got back in with 2e. That was off & on due to things like school work & so on but...

Great post on a lot of things worthy of attention that keep getting ignored & glossed over through all the food fights on the topic. Going to snip down the OP and add an extra bit of peer reviewed(?) complicated nuance to the quoted bit of history that wasn't touched on in the OP...

I am aware and even quoted that part. Keep reading....

I think it's important to acknowledge that there are two very different scenarios here & they each present a different hurdle to clear with totally different needs. You've got new players who didn't know better & learned a bit or are now getting help & more experienced players who simply want a...

At least in this thread, most of those claims were attributed to folks who didn't make them by folks claiming sexism.