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  1. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    I'm not sure what you are attempting to convey here but the double meanings in Kyoka's poem about cups probably says more about the downsides of what happens when power scaling goes awry in ways similar to power creep crashing into an ongoing campaign Awakened from peaceful sleep. By Jōkisen...
  2. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    For someone who couldn't accept that players of SR classes are even capable of having an unreasonable level of rest frequency expectations a couple pages back you undercut any weight your position here might have had by framing the scale as as if the choices are with nothing between the two...
  3. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    The problem is obvious... Look at the specifics. Wotc was talking up PC power creep. It doesn't matter if monsters are strong enough to provide an appropriate challenge to PCs not built under a deliberate extreme unoptimized baseline now when the goal is deliberate PC power creep as a...
  4. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    It's amazing watching people defend power creep as not being there after wotc themselves talked up power creep as a deliberate and desirable goal to plan for a while back.
  5. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    Do you often see players deploying counter spell or shield as part of an a Nova? I admittedly can't see how either would contribute to a Nova loop powered 5mwd simply because they are not needed when a significant fraction of the players at a table are doing similar in service to the 5mwd you...
  6. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/2190885-warlock You did not look at what happens in tier3 before asking what is the problem in tier 3 where they have 3 5th level slots per rest plus all of their ADEU abilities . Also you literally quoted a link to Crawford talking about hitting the 5th level...
  7. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    Scale up the level and watch the disaster that occurs into &: through sayy tier 3 when that warlock gets to push the fifth level button over and over and over again while the monk generally has more ki than they could use on that cycle. They didn't fix the design problem and did nothing about...
  8. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    That bold bit of internet wisdom being endlessly repeated just exacerbates the problem when players feel their monk or warlock requires a short rest after every fight come hell or high water no matter the doom clock stakes knowingly being lit on fire by those unreasonable expectations. That...
  9. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    No you fail to meet the bar or moving your subjective table experience to objective discussion of the rules. The original claim was that the failure to wrench the malicious compliance ADEU based short rest warlock and monk over to the attrition based adventuring day model while failing to...
  10. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    I went looking for the exact text of the new resting rules on my phone to show ho your claim is mistaken or flatly weong.and realized that it's not needed because you have a higher bar to meet for your claim to be anything but anecdotal at best..when players start acting like this there's not...
  11. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    You missed the point. Players get to FORCE 5mwd loop gameplay on an unsupported gm because some folks liked 4e's At will Daily Encounter Universal. It's practically malicious compliance with the attrition based model at the system level from a designer. The new edition failed at both fitting...
  12. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    The new NOVA->LETSTAKEASHORTREST->REPEAT monk & warlock continuing the 2014 effort of forcing ADEU class design into an adventuring day attrition based game without correcting the rest rules to support the GM when players feel they are entitled to an ADEU based 5mwd loop is one of biggest...
  13. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    The bolded "So I guess this particular DM didn't want to spend any extra money on the campaign." Bit comes off rather judgemental of the GM and completely overlooks the fact that it could apply equally to any of the players who have spent nothing but could have. Change it to almost anything...
  14. tetrasodium

    Eberron: Forge of the Artificer Page Count, Contents Revealed

    Have you seen any actual details about what wotc is calling a "campaign framework" or is this just speculation? That's a serious question because I don't know haven't seen any definition and don't feel the term says anything specific enough to guess.
  15. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    That's quite the phrasing about the GM's role in a game.
  16. tetrasodium

    Eberron: Forge of the Artificer Page Count, Contents Revealed

    What exactly is a "campaign framework"? That sounds like it could be anything from mechanical crunch to fit the baseline needs of particular campaign styles and themes to madlib style adventure seed skeletons.
  17. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    There is a difference between fixing things and very slightly altering the wording in a thing in such a way that it is pretty much functionally identical in play. Even if one considers that deck chair rearrangement to be "fixed", it's not to a degree that justifies dropping the money on 3 new...
  18. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    That's not a good reason for anyone to go buy them. In fact it's literally the problem TSR created for themselves by publishing an endless stream of pointless books few needed or wanted. Pathfinder got dubbed 3.75 because it provided significant improvements to the core without being a totally...
  19. tetrasodium

    D&D General Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?

    The ogl fiasco badly derailed the playtesting and did a lot of damage to the idea of meaningful change as opposed to "[many people] recognize there is serious problems with this that and the other section of the rules but some people think that the problem is fun so we decided to split the baby...
  20. tetrasodium

    D&D General Wearing a lantern on your belt?

    Either darkness is a thing to consider plan for and engage with or there is a fairly mundane item that effectively deletes those rules and everything they add to the game even more brazenly than "I've got dark vision [and we both know that the relevant rules are a waste of ink so I'm going to be...
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