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I run a monthly home game with a group of about 5-6 players each time. At once a month it would take forever to get all the way to 30 so I devised a way at certain points to just let the players go up several levels at once, but never more than about 3 because that would bring too much new...

So it's OK for a Fighter to kill 2 minions, but Rangers get the giant minion clearing Nerf bat.

They stack without giving a larger static bonus to the die roll. One or the other would have needed to be Paragon level.

Somewhere near the front is a generic level advancement and XP table. It lists how many of each type of power you get and when (at-will, encounter, daily).

I never said any such thing. I said the only outcome of attack result is "Hit" or "Miss". Please stop making assumptions or attempting to make claims about my comments that aren't true. Automatic Hit is an exception. It grants you a hit when you otherwise would have missed. It is left to the...

No. "Critical Hit" and "Hit" are separate terms with their own definitions, requirements and effects. Yes. No. It does not override the attack results roll in any way. Holy Ardor is not an attack roll and cannot be used in such a fashion. OoE IS an attack roll and can be used to resolve...

@Artoomis: I have never disagreed that you can use Holy Ardor to grant you a critical hit. My objection is two-fold. 1. If indeed Holy Ardor grants a hit then this is the first exception rule EVER that overrides a general rule by indirection --- meaning that you have to reference the attack...

First I want to point out Kraydak that you and I are on the same side. I don't believe for a moment that Holy Ardor grants a "Hit" simply because it doesn't say that it does. For specific vs. general to work you have to provide the specific in the rule that is going to do the overriding. I am...

Also note that this would also override the natural 20 rules as well since you would now crit on a 20 as well. So...according to the other side of the fence Holy Ardor overrides the following rules without calling any of them out specifically simply by excluding the word "can": 1. Precision...

If Holy Ardor were worded this way I would have no problems with it because it would then specifically overrule the "Compare attack roll to defenses" step of attack resolution. The way it is worded now does not do that, so Holy Ardor 1.0 <> Holy Ardor 2.0.

And this is my point. If you don't roll damage you cannot invoke Holy Ardor. Yes. Holy Ardor is not an example of this kind of power however. Again you have not argued against my point. You either need a power that does damage on "Miss" (override to the normal hit/miss rules) or you need to...

What I am trying to say can best be shown by this example because it is exactly what I am trying to get across. I have a feat called Weapon Focus. It gives me a +1 feat bonus to damage. In step 4 I have to "compare attack roll to defenses" (which of course has ~2 full pages of rules). If I...

I have nothing else to say if you're not going to try to deny my position. I am going to take your lack of rebuttal as an acceptance that my position is correct. Your comments lead me to believe that you have not even tried to either understand my argument or even bothered to read my posts...

I've been trying to reconcile this with the rules. This may be a case where...dare I say it....you can't crit because crit is a type of hit and not a miss? And no Artoomis, this is not an admission that a crit is therefore a hit.

It's really simple Artoomis, but you don't even bother addressing my issue at all. My point is that if you compare your attack roll and that attack roll says you miss then you never get to invoke Holy Ardor or any other critical power because you never get to the "Apply Damage" phase of attack...

One more thought Artoomis. In your intrepritation you are invoking Holy Ardor in step 4 (Compare your attack roll...) and yet maintain that Holy Ardor is "not an attack roll". You then try to use this (Holy Ardor) that grants you a critical hit (see step 5 - apply damage) to prove that you...

Critical hit only means you get to maximize any damage you do. If you don't hit and therefore don't do any damage you have nothing to maximize. And quit pointing to p276. Those are the "Attack Results" rules NOT the "Critical Hit" rules. Quit attempting to use the "Attack Results" rules to...

I never claimed that you don't get a critical hit. What you don't get is a "Hit". You also don't get to ignore the rules as written without an exception. 1. Show us where Holy Ardor overrides the "Making an Attack" sequence. 2. Show us where it says you get to skip comparing your attack...

Excellent post N8Ball. Well considered. First I want to correct a couple of typos from the book: 3. Make an attack roll (p274 - the book says p273) 4. Compare your attack roll... (p276 - the book says p274) Well said. I think I have to agree with the "one meaning" you have laid out. Having...

Well I'm done. The only answer I've seen is it overrides every rule that says "no" it doesn't work that way and it does so without even saying it does which is so totally broken in an exception based game it's laughable. If you can't be intellectually honest then don't bother. I could say...