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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Interesting. I actually have never come across a IRL person complaining about GM authority abuse. And I have also been reasonably active in the community. It sound like there might be some culture difference somewhere. Are your data from the US by chance? I have heard rumors there might be a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Where? I would of course not point it out in the middle of the session unless it was really outrageous. Shuffle it to after play, where the rules of the game is no longer at work. Then I am no longer saying it as a player at all :)
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You have done a large scale questionnaire with care to avoid bias in participant selection? :O I would absolutely love to see the results! I mean it, I am sort of a statistics nerd!
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Indeed there is recourse beyond walking. Social enforcement has a lot more tools up it's sleve than that. First I would do is merely pointing out that I found the situation unpleasant. If you have a halfway decent DM that alone should be enough to trigger some emotional response in them that is...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    2 out of the 4 completely separate groups I have run more than one-shot for. The other 2 didn't get into a situation putting this to the test. I think that make the position this situation is exceptional somewhat statistically dubious.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    At all tables? Or at some tables? I guess there is a missing negation in this sentence? Anyway, it seem like my group of friends felt a need of me "being in charge all the way". I do not feel that much of a need myself. As referenced above, they disliked it when I bound myself to the rules.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But one person do not have all the power in this scope! The social dynamics at play in a typical game group rarely look like what you describe here. When we say the GM is not bound by any of the game rules, that is a voulentary social agreement between everyone that wants to participate in the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It is impossible to say without knowing the game. But PbtA tend to have the same basic building blocks that keep D&D grounded. That is each player only get control over one character, the capabilities of that character is limited to a limited list of moves, and there is a GM that controls the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Social contract is a couple of steps over rules in big model isn't it? That is when we talk about not bound by rules we are talking inside the scope of play, not that we somehow suddenly are free to murder our friends litterarily with no consequence?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This is interesting. We indeed have very common backgrounds. I absolutely see your point. It actually in a way strikes me as more humanity-optimistic than my own instincts. My major was in general relativity, but I got pretty deep in quantum mechanics as well. And I can see these theories as the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I am driven by curiosity tough (witch killed the cat). I really would like to see the arguments against the FK concept, as I know I have been over exposed to the other side in the past. I enter with an open mind, and I really try to express that. If I come across as overly argumentative or...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The amateur-player hypotesis could be used as an possible explenaton for either of the FK hypoteses if true as they modulate the subjective "better". However all FK hypoteses I proposed might be false even if this one is true. Authorial-expertise doesn't seem like a hypotesis, but rather a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Absolutely. I didn't realise before it was to late I painted myself into one of the corners. My intention was really to point out that I had observed there is a dispute (something I thought was uncontroversial). I didn't expect my self to have to advocate the validity of either side the way I...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Thank you! Just to preempt some possible bad words. I think the hard FK hypothesis "is solid". I now realize that is a poor choice of words. I am too used to scientific thinking. First I want to divert attention to me acknowledging that this hypothesis is disputed. I want to emphasize I think...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Fully agreed. And this is one of the reasons it is hard to get traction on resolving this dispute.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Back in the day it was quite some fanfare around this move to distinguish it from mathfinder. Less addition FTW! Not very surprised if they have backpedaled a bit on it on 2024, though the SRD still seem to keep the same formulation in it's armor section at least. The "base AC" is given by the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Ah, this inspired me. I think I might see an important conceptualization now that have eluded me. First off, when I wrote my rant about the kriegspeil/free kreigspiel split, what I had in mind is what I will label the hard FK hypothesis in mind. That is the hypothesis that an expert can produce...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Looking at it now, and it seem like AC = Armor + dex is not presented as a rule at all. Rather it seem like the aproperiate rule is: AC = (Tabulated formula based on armor/class/monster) + modifiers like shield. Some of the tabulated formulas include dex, others do not (heavy armor). 10 + dex is...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I am utterly confused? Are we talking about 2024 edition? I find no Rules Glossary un my good old PHB. The removal of 10 base AC for the concept of armor determined base AC was one of the most obvious cosmetic changes from 3ed when it came to basic concepts..
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes, but if you are splitting terms you can also do fun stuff like say AC = 0 + survival instinct (4) + base dodging capability (5) + skin (1) + armor (2) + first dex mod point (1) + shield (2) + remaining dex modifier (2) It might be this is matching what you are doing, and that you have good...
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