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Yeah, that could be fair. Honestly I think just the "you get your first extra attack whatever the ratio" bit is nice enough without covering the additional ones Fighter gets, those 1 - 5 levels are the kinda make or break levels. Something to make multiclassing a bit less of a knee-cap in the...

May nag consult my DM about implementing that houserule. We're actually about to do an event thing where our characters play out an event in their past at an appropriate level, and I was trying to figure out a split that'd leave me with Extra Attack (which I did not have at that actual level) to...

I kinda don't hate that as a houserule. I know it's the bargain you sign up for when you choose to multiclass, but. Can still be frustrating to be stalling out like that so near the start of a game.

Repeating myself, but, that is something a previous rendition of the Ranger offered, and it wasn't a spell. And that wasn't even all the feature did! Granted the other half hinges around Favoured Enemy, which is it's own can of worms, but. If you ignore that bit, it's not bad!

The very first version of Favoured Foe they offered in the Class Feature Variants Unearthed Arcana. They changed it radically by the time Tasha's released, and I don't really get what their problem with the UA version was.

It's interesting because, the initial incarnation of Favoured Foe was exactly that. Some free casts and when you get spellcasting next level, it doesn't count against your spells known. Assuming you don't mind Rangers hinging their combat prowess off of Hunter's Mark (which they clearly don't)...

I mean, I was personally willing to complain about both. As with some previous renditions of Ranger, I think their sense of what's a reasonable level to get some things (particularly when that's all you get at a given level) is still just really off. Even putting aside that it's all to do with...

It is dumber, because you choose to take Feats. Not to mention they come a bit later in the levelling table. If learning additional languages is direly important for some reason, you can account for that in your roleplay if you take the feat, or ask your DM to learn them on your down-time, or...

Bit of an over-simplification. Your DM ever sent you to a country where they all speak Thieves Cant? (Moderately interesting a notion as it may be.)

I don't really think of either of them at all, but I especially don't really think of either of them as true languages. They're more like secret codes.

And, again, I'd argue it's a reach. A reach for any class to get languages from their base levelling table, though Ranger getting them is especially weird. I'd put Wizard above that, then probably Bard, if anyone. I would not be content having things like languages dictated by class choice. It's...

I don't know about supposed to, but I would (and did) argue that just giving them the standard Expertise treatment, two at an earlier level, two at a later level, makes the most sense. A Ranger is/ought to be the ultimate traveler. They are not, however, a holiday maker. They don't roam the...

It's probably not gonna happen! I'll probably stay on 5E and just pinch what's useful from 2024. (Not solely because I find 2024 Ranger inadequate mind, but y'know, certainly doesn't help)

You're offering all these provisos that aren't what I want, when they literally already offered what I want in a previous rendition! You're not gonna sell me on the spell format when precisely what I'm after is there, and there's no need to try either!

A little better, but still would rather it was innate like Revised Primeval Awareness (or the various other abilities that do basically the same thing, Speech of the Woods, etc).

I understand that was probably the logic, I still think it's a reach. And a reach made for a reason I disagree with, I think they should've just kept it at regular Expertise.

I personally dislike using Animal Friendship to express a Ranger's affinity for animals, I much prefer that half of Revised's Primeval Awareness. It's not a charm, it's not forced. I'm sure that's not a big deal for some/most players but y'know. I would say that the needle is a bit too skewed...

They do. But their first level of Expertise (or first feature that provides Expertise), instead of being two skills, is one skill and two languages. Which is a bit lame and also bizarre.

That's what I'm saying, they are on the right lines sometimes, it's not a complete failure. It's just I'd say some stuff comes kinda late or could do more.

I'm not saying they shouldn't rely on spells at all, only that some stuff should be part and parcel to the class itself, regardless of how many spell slots they've burnt. Fast movement, overcoming exhaustion and natural conditions, snappy reflexes etc., these are things that I'd put on the...