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For that prospect to be actually attractive, you have to be getting something else from pivoting to Ranger that's worthwhile. And you're just, kinda not.

Got me there. (I am actually really happy with my homebrew Ranger so far though, just tinkering with level 14 currently.)

You are correct, this is absolutely a thing you could do if you wanted to use that version of Ranger. But I do not wish to do that, because it sucks.

Correct! I still think it's lame. You're still jumping through hoops for a few pips of bonus damage however you slice it. These were steps in the right direction, but they consistently cannot stick the landing. Things like movement options, HP options, visibility options, these are things...

I mean, could do both? That's what I did/am in the process of doing. I personally made Hunter's Mark add Force damage equal to your spell modifier on weapon attacks against marked target(s), and you also learn the immunities, resistances and vulnerabilities of the marked targets. And also, uh...

I mean it's not freely, it's costly. A refresh costs one of your uses per day. You can do it, but again, that seems more like an oversight than anything else.

I mean it can be, they can do what they will. But the result will be lame. They have conclusively demonstrated that they cannot make Hunter's Mark, as the Ranger's signature ability, not lame. Shrug, I can't tell people what's better for them and their tables, but I can say that no amount of...

The language is "The first time on each of your turns that you hit the favored enemy and deal damage to it, including when you mark it, you can increase that damage by 1d4". Which suggests the first time, and not subsequent times. So, once per turn. The fact that you can technically piss away...

Yeah I know what it does, and it's awful as well. Absolutely anemic. They cut it down to 1D4 at the baseline and couldn't even make it for all attacks, just the first one that hits and only on your turn.

Y'mean that feature that isn't even as good as Paladin's Improved Divine Smite even with it's final scaling coming 3 levels later? That one?

I hate Favoured Enemy also, but. In terms of listed benefits. S'alright? It's better than desperately repackaging a spell into a class feature. I don't think we're quite at "yes, this is equivalent to rage, sneak attack and" etc. But. A step away from being shackled to specifically Hunter's Mark...

Why does it have to be Hunter's Mark at all? Like, it's not even a convenient framework! Just make a new ability!

It's a separate issue to the whole spellcaster thing, but. I do kinda think giving up on Hunter's Mark would help immensely. I feel like Ranger is still crying out for a signature class feature, their own Rage, Smite, Wild Shape, etc. And Hunter's Mark just. Isn't it. It cannot fill those shoes.

I cannot agree in the slightest, there are no depths to how much I don't care about the idea of Ranger as just "the bow and arrow folks that do stuff with a bow and arrow". If you're not General Radahn, the "hail of arrows" thing just reads like a MOBA ability to me. I find it dull.

(Oh yeah I figured of course, but y'know, wanted to say it anyway.) I will say; Land's Stride did deserve to be scrapped, but yeah it also needed to be replaced with something that accomplished it's intended effect more handily, and at a level where it's actually worth a damn.

I mean yes that would be better, but it's still bad! Why can't the Ranger just get a handful of decent spells they can pick from at a reasonable level? With their spellcasting feature, that they have? You're right that absolutely nobody wants to be hanging on till 17th level for stuff the...

Sure! It's sort of a multi-layered problem for me personally; I don't like spells being "elevated" to class feature in general. I think WOTC having basically nothing to work with for the Ranger besides Hunter's Mark in particular has caused endless problems. They also happened to pick boring...

I do think them being married to what they've already offered is another big part of it, like they cannot bring themselves to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but that is fair to say as well. I think it's partially down to the wide spectrum of ideals that people have for the Ranger. Some...

There goes WOTC, doing exactly what I would've guessed. Still just completely unable to imagine anything for Ranger without saying the words "Hunter's Mark", and even then what they've got is just absolutely anemic and boring. At least they killed the class features "the spells Conjure Barrage...

Disregard all that! I discovered my error too late! Oh, well, that makes my other thought easier. Why don't they just Polymorph themselves into a Giant Eagle and go collect the friendly Cleric?