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What actual facts though... there's alot of data interpretation with little to no context provided in the analysis... i.e. speculation.

I enjoy their products as well... I mentioned that first.

This argument never makes sense to me... its a luxury/recreation product, nothing about it is needed. I buy it because I want and enjoy the products WotC puts out... I enjoy the ease of use and convenience when sharing all my digital books with my gaming group master tier DnD Beyond sub...

No... but we are comparing a time period where a complete game was available (2014) to one where a corebook is missing (2024)... The free rules are just as good as an srd so not sure that would be a big deal.

Wouldn't this be more relevant once creators have the actual monster manual... assuming adventures are one of the major products that are published and they... well need the MM to create them. Edit: I guess that's where I'm seeing issues with alot of your comparrisons... the new edition isnt...

That's an interesting way to interpret this but I have to ask how far back does Most Popular skew? If it's lifetime sales... why would we expect 5e '24 to be above it with an incomplete set of corebooks and the PHB only having been available for 4 months on Roll20. If anything the fact that it...

Ruins really is a well done 3rd party 5e based game.

I wonder if that has something to do with the WotC's pre-order bundles..I hadn't bought any of them pre D&D '24 (though I am starting to thinkmtheynwere doing very well for,WotC... but for anyone using DnD Beyond they were almost a No-Brainer deal for the 3 new core books.

Let's...disengage... I'm not sure what you're trying to prove but this ain't the post. All we're doing is going in circles.

And sometimes pre-determined bias can make someone judge something without objectivity... whether that judgement is warranted or not... thats life.

To be fair once we get a grasp on the rule changes, moving forward we'll be using 2024 and 2014 together... but yeah I think my group is all around atypical in regards to most on this site.

I think that's best if you're proclaiming truths abouut the book (though i didnt say anythinng about being "allowed")... but I believe enough people using it in actual play and documenting their experiences can provide enough info for many to base a decision on. The point being you'll be getting...

My enttire group have all bought 1 of the new PHB (though 2 opted to go digital only and one bought the special cover and a regular). Two of us that DM have bought the DMG (again with 1 buying an extra w/the special cover). That said we had wrapped up our previous games right before the holidays...

YouTube will have full reviews where the entire book is shown. Monster math broken down, layout commented on and any surprises revealed within the first 2 weeks of lifted embargo... and guess what... it'll be free.

What if you just waited until you drove Car B to make any proclamations about it as a whole... just seems like the simplest and most honest course of action.

No I didn't No I didn't Didn't disagree with that but your above statements show me you didn't understand what the initial disagreement between SlyFlourish and I was about. Yes you can... knock yourself out but that wasn't what was being discussed by SlyFlourish and myself. Layout is...

Why and compare them in what capacity? We were originally talking better books so what is your purpose in wanting me to compare two stat blocks and what am I comparing them to determine? No. I am talking books... you are talking about stat blocks... one hasn't been released yet so yes to make...

Ok I'm pretty much over this so I may no longer respond after this... 1. Yeah I know how comparisons work do you? 2. I can compare two monsters (Which I have seen in their entirety) from two books (I have not seen in their entirety) without making a commentary on the books as a whole... you...

I guess I'm still unclear on what you are looking for or expecting... it seems you're conflating whether D&D is still popular with whether it is pleasing you personally. And the cold hard truth is that I'd be more worried if D&D was still mainly catering to an aging out consumer base... there's...

Im just not seeing this...didnt the NY Times do multiple articles on D&D at the end of December... there was a Time Magazine Special Edition done on D&D I just picked up today...Polygon just did some good and not so good articles on D&D... The D&D episode for Secret Level on Prime dropped...