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You see, you understand your preferences on BBQ. You aren't required to understand them, and I will certainly never ask you to justify them. However, what happens is when we debate on the internet we usually expect either side to explain why. So WE understand. Not requiring justification.

I think instead of associating them with a creator, I'm going to have them be a species of primordial that arose from before the Dawn War. So the genies are their descendants. Draft so far: The Vaati, also called the Wind Dukes, were beings of law and elemental air, a race of powerful...

Darksun. And a planar book based on the Blind Eternities replacing the astral and etc. (granted, there's enough info to do it my self) Imagine if they focused on it and made new dnd stuff for it.

Both. 😀

I understand. My recommendation to them is to look at where to draw the line. We draw it at 2+ is a swarm block. Maybe their playstyle/table can handle 4+. I don't think (I might be naive) that anyone wants to run dozens of skeletons with their own stat block. But whatever works.

not if "in combat only" once you have more than two of them they are treated as a horde/army. out of combat they carry the box. Not sure how it makes other people feel, but we have tested it, and we think it great! Out of combat: carry boxes, dig, guard perimeter, row undead boat, etc, use...

In my mythos (as i think we've discussed before @dave2008 ) Tiamat (sumerian) is fundamentally connected to the original chaos, in which the elemental/inner planes formed, from which the material is formed, therefore connected to the Material, same as all dragons/primordials. Gods formed with...

Agreed. Which is why I suggested if you have more than two minions in combat, you turn them into a swarm or army unit. Out of combat if you want 10 of them to dig and 10 of them to move the dirt....have at it.

...a warlock chassis, spells being SUMMONS only, invocations that modify summons, pacts could be with certain types of creatues? we'd need a few better, more variety summons spells.

To clarify: Basic spell, two minions, use in combat as is. Upcast, 4+ minions, use in combat as swarm.

We use 2014 Animate Undead. That gives you two minions that are arguably better than Unseen Servant. If you want more...upcast. BUT in combat we convert them to a swarm/horde. So, max cast would give you 14 skeletons (9th level spell). Seems weak. Maybe necromancy specialist classes would...

OOOOoOoooooooooo. So the deal you made in daytime....oh my. THAT makes it fascinating.

pretty sure they mentioned his unnatural beard capacity at some point... :D

My Mythos does have the Sumerian style Tiamat as the first power in the cosmos, so maybe they could be ties with Bahamut. I will strongly consider.

Nevermind, I see you said "filed".

link bad?

What I'm going with as a draft (like @Paul Farquhar I do like to leave it a little vague): Wind Dukes were a fifth species of genie (djinn, efreet, dao, marid ) with a lawful bent named vaati. (Why they are lawful?, don't know yet) The Vaati eventually came to lead/rule the largest empire...

While intriguing, that would be some seriously lawful fey.

Currently in this "Dawn Age" predates celestials and gods, but since im reviewing it anyway,i will look into it.

Not if I drone on forever as i have a tendency to do...but thanks. :)