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The thread has probably progressed, however... Lying lets them decide (granted there can be influences on their decision). Mind Control makes them do what you say...dominating or puppeteering. Which is why they know after it wears off. (You can imagine that they knew the whole time, but...

Emphasis mine... Consider the "Firestarter" sorcerer. The fluff between their spontaneous manifestation of uncontrollable fire (at first) and the warlock is pretty wide, IMO. Edit:typo

He isn't one.

C, then B or A.

Unless the rules of magic follow least resistance rules. Ending up in similar results. (or its a shortcut for game purposes, so we dont have a wizard fireball, a warlock fire blast, and a sorcerer fire bomb spell) "A wizard, a warlock, and a sorcerer, walk into a bar. All three pick up a mug...

My opinion? Wizards are born with that magical spark. But unlike Sorcerers, it has to be trained and learned to be of any use. Students of Magic. Sorcerers are born with a magical bonfire, that manifests spontaneously until they get the hang of it. Natural Athletes of Magic. Warlocks make a...

Why does everyone always think DMs drive Fiats? Its biased I tell yah... 😉

I present to you....the Athar. Mimir net - Athar

Most recent...supporting material for my campaign's Runemaster's. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/423108/master-class-runecaster-5e

I had forgotten that!

Sure, thats valid. We had however reached the stage where we wanted more control over our builds and party composition. Better/Worse playstyle? 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, I've been in that era. Started a new group of players and both fighters showed up with double ought STR. Legit rolled they said. I mean, I think AD&D "begging" for high scores is why we went with 4d6, so yeah, there was some "cheating". After watching a guy try to qualify for paladin...

4d6, drop the lowest. Always rolled in front of the group.

While I understand the points you make.... what if the dominance of D&D is just because people like it and have fun? Checkers players don't consider chess players arrogant (okay bad example, lol).

Hence why (although its an interesting topic) I keep the NPCs in the world very very low level.

Quoted for truth and saying netter than i did... Aye, I blame the devil rum...

3.5 and such "were" good toolkits. Until they grew so bloated and had so many modifiers it took 20 minutes to calculate your attack roll (I kid, I kid). Its my opinion that 5e brought all the way back around the circle to the toolkit format. Now before you say anything.... WotC is not...

But most of us (although "I" know my history) aren't trying to recreate actual specific periods. I think it was in this thread that I mention it, we take a period of history, find some other stuff we like, put it in the campaign bowl and mix it all up. Its just a game.

I liked it a lot, but sadly never got to run a campaign with it (yet).

I was there, I can validate.