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They didn't say the attacks themselves are simultaneous. They said the attacks happen as part of the Attack action, and that they are inseparable from that action. That is, the attacks occur at the same period of time that you are taking the Attack action, or, that they are simultaneous with...

We’ve discussed this already, but sure. You take you bonus action shove first. An enemy then uses their reaction to incapacitate you, ending your turn. You never took the Attack action, and so how were you allowed to use the Shield Master bonus action? Ovinomancer made an excellent post...

We’ve discussed this already, but sure. You take you bonus action shove first. An enemy then uses their reaction to incapacitate you, ending your turn. You never took the Attack action, and so how were you allowed to use the Shield Master bonus action? Ovinomancer made an excellent post...

I could say the same about you, which is why I’m not going to bother discussing this with you any more.

I could say the same about you, which is why I’m not going to bother discussing this with you any more.

The rules may appear incomplete or inconsistent to you, but that's simply a result of you stretching the meaning of the words beyond their breaking point and adding things that aren't there or ignoring the words that are there. The rules have always seemed very consistent and coherent to me in...

The rules may appear incomplete or inconsistent to you, but that's simply a result of you stretching the meaning of the words beyond their breaking point and adding things that aren't there or ignoring the words that are there. The rules have always seemed very consistent and coherent to me in...

This is correct, he said that after thinking and talking about it more, he really just didn’t like the way they did TWF. Bonus actions as a whole were fine, but he felt that TWF probably should’ve just been part of the Attack action.

This is correct, he said that after thinking and talking about it more, he really just didn’t like the way they did TWF. Bonus actions as a whole were fine, but he felt that TWF probably should’ve just been part of the Attack action.

In all those cases, the attack(s) are part of a well-defined thing in the rules, though. Your Cast a Spell action might involve you casting a spell that involves a weapon attack. That doesn't mean you get to declare you'll cast a spell, make a weapon attack for... reasons, and then later in...

In all those cases, the attack(s) are part of a well-defined thing in the rules, though. Your Cast a Spell action might involve you casting a spell that involves a weapon attack. That doesn't mean you get to declare you'll cast a spell, make a weapon attack for... reasons, and then later in...

And as I've pointed out several times in the last few pages, if they intended the feat to simply grant you another shove attack as part of the Attack action, then they could've worded it exactly like Extra Attack or Dread Ambusher where you literally just get another attack in the Attack action...

And as I've pointed out several times in the last few pages, if they intended the feat to simply grant you another shove attack as part of the Attack action, then they could've worded it exactly like Extra Attack or Dread Ambusher where you literally just get another attack in the Attack action...

A lot of the arguments in the past thousand posts have read as "I really want to shove first, so let me warp the meaning of the words to support my position". The PHB doesn't talk about the duration of an action. The PHB doesn't talk about the Attack action being separate from the attacks...

A lot of the arguments in the past thousand posts have read as "I really want to shove first, so let me warp the meaning of the words to support my position". The PHB doesn't talk about the duration of an action. The PHB doesn't talk about the Attack action being separate from the attacks...

Thanks for the homework assignments, but I’m done. I’ve tried showing you the words in the PHB, and the words that are not in the PHB. There are ways Shield Master could’ve been written to allow any of the incorrect interpretations, and the simple fact that it doesn’t use those wordings...

Thanks for the homework assignments, but I’m done. I’ve tried showing you the words in the PHB, and the words that are not in the PHB. There are ways Shield Master could’ve been written to allow any of the incorrect interpretations, and the simple fact that it doesn’t use those wordings...

Well, it's not we, it's you that's asking for it, and I'm suggesting the premise of your question (assuming you're asking it to prove your interpretation that the Attack action is separate from the attacks themselves) is flawed. Oh, this is easy then. "If you take the Attack action on your...

Well, it's not we, it's you that's asking for it, and I'm suggesting the premise of your question (assuming you're asking it to prove your interpretation that the Attack action is separate from the attacks themselves) is flawed. Oh, this is easy then. "If you take the Attack action on your...

I had to read the second paragraph 5 or 6 times, and my brain still hurts. Why are you forcing unnecessary restrictions here? If the end goal is to shove whenever you like when you take the Attack action, then there's a simple wording that anyone can understand: "If you take the Attack action...