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I had to read the second paragraph 5 or 6 times, and my brain still hurts. Why are you forcing unnecessary restrictions here? If the end goal is to shove whenever you like when you take the Attack action, then there's a simple wording that anyone can understand: "If you take the Attack action...

Okay, we'll have this discussion again. In 2017, he came out and said "hey I :):):):)ed these rulings up, they do have timing requirements and thus you have to do X before you can do Y". His second sentence there is inconsistent with the wording in the PHB, as War Magic definitely has a timing...

Okay, we'll have this discussion again. In 2017, he came out and said "hey I :):):):)ed these rulings up, they do have timing requirements and thus you have to do X before you can do Y". His second sentence there is inconsistent with the wording in the PHB, as War Magic definitely has a timing...

Cool. Then the editor comes to you and says "we have to cut the text by 25% in order to fit all the art in, can you please trim this down? The second sentence is redundant, why don't you just stick with the standard wording of 'If you X, you can Y' that we use everywhere else in the books, per...

Cool. Then the editor comes to you and says "we have to cut the text by 25% in order to fit all the art in, can you please trim this down? The second sentence is redundant, why don't you just stick with the standard wording of 'If you X, you can Y' that we use everywhere else in the books, per...

So if I can't come up with a wording, my position is wrong. When I do come up with a wording, I'm still wrong. Why am I still debating this with you exactly? You asked for a version of the rule that lets you get an extra shove on your turn. Why does this have to be a bonus action exactly...

So if I can't come up with a wording, my position is wrong. When I do come up with a wording, I'm still wrong. Why am I still debating this with you exactly? You asked for a version of the rule that lets you get an extra shove on your turn. Why does this have to be a bonus action exactly...

That's not what the Sage Advice Compendium says, though. The weapon attack isn't granting you advantage on the attack roll of the cantrip, which is why this answer says that nothing would be broken if the DM let the attack come first. However, it's still confirming that the "if you X, you can...

That's not what the Sage Advice Compendium says, though. The weapon attack isn't granting you advantage on the attack roll of the cantrip, which is why this answer says that nothing would be broken if the DM let the attack come first. However, it's still confirming that the "if you X, you can...

There's a really simple way to achieve the goal you want, which has nothing to do with planning on taking the Attack action later on your turn. You simply grant an extra attack as part of the Attack action, just like Dread Ambusher: You could simply word this as requiring the extra attack...

There's a really simple way to achieve the goal you want, which has nothing to do with planning on taking the Attack action later on your turn. You simply grant an extra attack as part of the Attack action, just like Dread Ambusher: You could simply word this as requiring the extra attack...

The game has reactions, which can interrupt your turn. Thus, your intention or plan for what you'd like to do later on your turn has no meaning in the rules. Again, JEC explains all of this in detail in the Dragon Talk video on YouTube. As a result, there are no rules like this in the game.

The game has reactions, which can interrupt your turn. Thus, your intention or plan for what you'd like to do later on your turn has no meaning in the rules. Again, JEC explains all of this in detail in the Dragon Talk video on YouTube. As a result, there are no rules like this in the game.

Great, so you agree this wasn’t the intent and the shove comes after the Attack action.

Great, so you agree this wasn’t the intent and the shove comes after the Attack action.

Please explain which words in this rule say that the action is separate from the attacks, or that you can take or declare the action separately from the attacks: My evidence is simple: the words in the PHB say that the Attack action is making an attack. It's right there, I've even bolded it...

Please explain which words in this rule say that the action is separate from the attacks, or that you can take or declare the action separately from the attacks: My evidence is simple: the words in the PHB say that the Attack action is making an attack. It's right there, I've even bolded it...

So, what's wrong with that? If the designers wanted you to be able to shove any time you like, why does it need to be tied to the Attack action at all? I'm not following why this means the wording of the feat allows you to bonus action shove then attack.

So, what's wrong with that? If the designers wanted you to be able to shove any time you like, why does it need to be tied to the Attack action at all? I'm not following why this means the wording of the feat allows you to bonus action shove then attack.

Please show the relevant sections in the PHB to back up this "evidence". You are reading things that simply aren't in the text of the rules, as far as I can tell. My evidence is simple: the words in the PHB say that the Attack action is making your attack(s). There is no mention of the...