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That is the kind of thing you have to watch out for. Big solid game experience presumptions which may appeal to 30% of the audience, make no difference to 60% and drive away 10%. No game can afford to drive away 10% of the audience with one mandate. Because you are only going to get some...

I think you have contradicted yourself in this one sentence. If you concede that the difference is more in PF or 5E, then it is hard to declare that someone else is underselling the choices. By some measure they are "under" what other currently enjoy and prefer. I don't think anyone is...

I 100% respect this. But, you must admit that you are describing a player problem that you are using rules shackling to manage. If one doesn't have this player problem, then not adding a shackle is, well, not adding a shackle. I have several other issues with the PF2E math that create...

I think qualifies as creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are a lot of great games out there. If you are not enjoying one game, it is trivial to move on to another. Demanding that someone invest that much time (ten levels, much less 20) before their opinion becomes valid is completely...

Is this part true? I think I very much agree with the first part. But, as I see it, "the market" is growing toward "don't worry about it, its just a casual past-time". Which is completely cool. I'm not knocking it in the least. But I think that even within the relatively niche population of...

No no no :) I was not at all saying you were. I was PURELY stressing that I also was not making that claim.

Heh, at the risk of cross referencing threads.... I think the "like 4E" thing is a big factor here. Now, I'll repeat my position that PF2E is UNLIKE 4E in a lot more ways than it is LIKE 4E. In my opinion, it is a weak analysis to say that PF2E is like 4E. BUT... I strongly believe that the...

I think the pro-2E comments are completely valid at face value. But the flaw is that they look at the game in a vacuum. If there were no other TTRPGs in the world and I had PF2E, I expect I'd be thrilled. But there are other games. And PF2E is held to the standard of doing a BETTER job of...

Your last point is absolutely true. But I'll again point out that the multiple lines of evidence that it isn't doing any better than PF was doing isn't tied to the rankings. The rankings are clearly a potential positive sign because PF2E IS #2. But the value of that ranking is clearly very...

I was under the impression it is "updated hourly", but that update is a rolling average of a couple days or more. So it would take a pretty big slug to suddenly swing the number. But maybe I'm just wrong there.

I think that is part of it. But this has happened at least three times now. So there does seem to be some underlying pattern. I wonder if there are large(ish) groups of related purchases. Or maybe it is just what you are saying. I dunno. Up is good. How's that for a conclusion?

OK. I think I agree with the points along the way. At this point I can't even really tell if I agree with you or not on the bottom line conclusion. But it seems another case of overcomplicating the analysis. And I don't see anything here that changes the big picture. So I'm good with...

link? nevermind, I found it. They are saying "doubling" so I think they mean 99% "growth" or 199% of the prior quarter. But growth is growth.

I was about to post exactly this. 0.5 to 1.1 is 120% and 1.1 to 1.2 is another 9%. I doubt that those hard values are meaningful, but, as with everything else, the trend appears to be there. Going from zero lines of evidence to one is a big step.

roughly 1/3 of PF

I hate this post. It ain't wrong. But I hate it.

In an effort to get back on track, I'll restate what I do think. This is purely recycle from 23 hours ago, but everything seems to be tangents since then. Maybe there is more to discuss here and maybe this is the end of the conversation until more information comes along. But that said...

Ok, that's funny. (seriously that is well played)

Right, you don't understand confirmation bias.

OK, but that was not at all clear. There was a clear context regarding a how quickly 5E was adopted. You replied within that context. If we are discussing what to have for dinner and you say "eggs" and I question if you really want eggs for dinner or not and you reply "I was talking about...