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How? It was so egregiously evil and stupid as to be absurd. They breached contract in a way as to be impossible to functionally defend, and THEN interfered with a contract T&M had with a publisher. If that had went to a court... Ouch.

I mean, it TRIES. It feels a bit gaslighty too.

I understand your thoughts on this, but it comes down to this: I have a company. It has 15 employees. We making gaming stuff. My company depends on a license to sell from X company. They can revoke this at any time, as long as they have a reason. You, nor any third party, have to agree...

Okay, at this point we're just arguing if they are evil, stupid or both. None of the above is a reason to trust them at this point.

Okay, did, or did WotC not, send out the contract and request signatures by the 13th? If so, then they acted in bad faith. If this information is incorrect, then it might have been negotiable.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1423-an-update-on-the-open-game-license-ogl

<raised eyebrow> That... Was stepping a toe over the edge of appropriateness. Perhaps take a moment to consider how that sounded?

Honestly? We're just going to have to wait and see. I have no idea how they plan to do this. This is all in the realm of "Legal Trickery".

You take a step forward with a smile. He takes a step back off the cliff. "I don't think we can meet in the middle anymore." you say.

Because, simply put, the frog does not want to let the scorpion ride on it's back again. Listen, a willingness to negotiate is great. On the other hand, the other side has to do so in good faith. I have had dozens of utterly silly contracts tossed at me by people who used boilerplates or...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but were they not give the contracts cold, and given until the 13th to sign? That was the data points I was given.

Well… Considering the circumstances? The other option it to shutdown. Wizards just tried to hustle them, they can’t afford to trust them, and they like the jobs they have. What else are they going to do? Give other options. I’m sure they would love to have them.

They did. In tandem with PEG. It's called savage pathfinder. You don't have to like it, but it exists...

Not to be a downer, but what is the point of this? They just tried to change it, and erase it. What makes you think they can be trusted to not try it again, even if they add language to prevent it?

Do not shame those who are holding back for further information. They have people they are responsible for. None of us have ANY idea of the decisions they have to make before they speak.

This. This is what I've seen. It's stupid, but eh...

Getting blindsided and smeared with things like this is also a good way to make sure you can't work in this line too. Seen i happen.

Even if they know, they may have had their hands tied. Worse, they may NOT have known exactly what was going on, such as the content of 1.1, or even how the ogl worked. Or they may have been ordered to shut up until release. All the above is grounds for quitting, scraping the muck off as much...

Oddly, right before this, i was considering purchasing the dragon land boxed set. Boy. That went out the window. They just seem to do things right when I think, Maybe, just maybe, they're not, you know... Evil?

I kinda feel we're saying similar things?