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This edition caused my girlfriend to become trapped in a different era in time after a sorceress tried to take over the world! /rinoaquit

I have to agree with this. The Summoner is one of a few classes where balance issues come into play. The Gunslinger is easily another (though, that one is because of the bizarre way firearms were treated).

This is the war that never ends! It goes on and on my friends! Some people started arguing without knowing what it was And it will go on forever just because... This is the war that never ends!

We're in total agreement! I swear, that entire mythology cycle has become nothing more than something for people to toss in their Mary Sue's or drop their own private anvils! I'm half tempted to write an Arthur story featuring a knight named Mary Sue who defeats enemies by dropping anvils on...

Comics are easy. Try it with mythology. As bad as people talk about comic families, some of the divine ones require non-euclidean geometry to chart out. We both agree on that. I do think those were two different characters, and that the later feud between Arthur and Morgan was itself a retcon...

In Erec and Enide by Chrétien de Troyes, it is mentioned that Arthur got a healing balm from his sister and her name is given as Morgan. She isn't portrayed as his half-sister until the Vulgate Cycle, which was written in the following century. It's also around then that she started to be...

It means "of the Fey." In her case, she's so-named because that's the people she sided with when she betrayed Arthur; except for her ability to use magic, she's pure mortal. Because in order for her to be part spirit, then Arthur would also have to be part spirit... being as he is her brother.

I do! But, I also don't limit myself to those options; "Deific" and "violates thermodynamics" are also difficulty levels.

That depends on the genre of fantasy. Traditional medieval fantasy had few guns (not no guns; even Tolkien made use of gunpowder weaponry, particularly in bomb form), and guns have been pretty prevalent in other works of traditional fantasy, even at times when their existence made little sense...

I guess I shouldn't have hired that army of ninjas to spike everyone's perfume/cologne/deodorant/shampoo/soap with elderberry juice...

Sadly, I suspect this thread really is the cliff note version of the last six years.

11,253 times. Apparently, people don't take it too kindly when you burn down the temples, the orphanage, and all of the farmland.

You need a 20 for that :devil:

And now I'm imagining Tony Vargas sitting around a table, sipping wine from a IOU signed by a mountain.

Fair enough. I think I've been too literal-minded and too stuck in arguments. I'm going to get out of them and get some fresh air.

It actually is a fact that Friar Tuck doesn't count as a monk; monks lived within monasteries while friars were outside among the people. It was enough of an important difference that there are what are considered monastic orders and what are considered friar orders. Now, that doesn't change...

Actually, I think both sides are frustrated; God Machine-supporters are frustrated by the stuff that didn't get converted to God Machine rules but are still necessary to run elements of the game and God Machine-opposers are frustrated that the new material is being printed post-God Machine. It...

To add even more humor to it: Prince John is known as a villain primarily because he tried to enforce taxes on the rich. Thus, having him as the ultimate bad guy means that Robin Hood was fighting for the wealthy. Oh, druids are not based on real-world druids. They're based on hippies. I bet...

Check out the forums for Onyx Path (the people currently contracted to produce WoD books). It's mostly settled now, but it comes up.

And some of us are saying they do have business in DnD. After all, why else would 2E have them, 3E have them, 3.5E have them, Pathfinder have them, the upcoming game O.L.D. game have them... Now, if they have no place in your games, that's your prerogative and I can't argue that. But they do...