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I agree. But I would still say that "what you played first" is a factor - as has been pointed out, a lot of people like to stick with the familiar, and it is simply a lot more likely that you will start your gamer carreer with D&D than with any other game. So it's a factor. On the other hand...

Yes, it is. But telling some one: "Will you try this with me? I'm ready to do most of the work, and I think you might like it" is not the same. You can still say no. but expecting the other person to continue investing their time into something they are less interested in for your sake is a...

Okay, I'm kind of lost ... I thought you were basically saying "D&D is top because of it's excellence, and claiming that there may be other factors involved is nothing but a cheap attack", but maybe I misread that.

Depends ... I usally play with people I consider friends - and part of that is that I'm willing to leave my comfort zone once on a while, and they're as well. It might not always work out, but as far as I'm concerned, trying things your friends are into usually is a good way to broaden your horizon.

So what? We know that it was first. We know that it is dominant. We can outline in what ways it is a really good game that has many features that make it really fun for a broad range of people. How these three factors are related is speculation; it can be fun and enlightening to speculate...

Yes. But players implicitly telling their GM "I know that you would rather spend your time preparing and running other rpgs, but really, as a player, I can't even be bothered to take the time to and approach them with an open mind" is a pretty dismissive attitude as well. Usually it is the GM...

Well, I wouldn't assume that just any RPG could be as succesful as D&D by simply conditioning people into liking it. But I also wouldn't assume that there a naturally occuring D&D-shaped hole in the lives of people and they were just waiting for something exactly like D&D to fill it. Obviously...

I understand that, and there certainly are elitist "D&D is cotton candy, if you want something nutritous, you have to play other RPGs!" notions. But the answer to that should simply be "there's no Badwrongfun", and not "Go away with your elitist nonsese, D&D has earned its spot at the top, your...

Well, I'm not complaining about that - but if you start a thread about the goods and the bads of D&D dominance, it is kind of logical that the a lot of people posting about the bads are the ones coming over from other parts of the forums. Otherwise, the thread would have to be called: "Let's...

It's not about not wanting to discuss D&D ... but, for example, a lot of online discussions of general RPG topics (like, recently, this one), end up as discussions about that one edition of D&D vs. another, and if you don't play D&D, much less dived into the minutiae, you'll be unable to take...

Well, maybe the GM would enjoy something else more ... (BTW, it seems pretty typical that the "GM type" has lots of games they would like to unleash on their group, but most in the group just want to keep playing their dwarf druid.) Sometimes, everyone can get on the same page, sometimes they...

Yes, definitely! The one thing I lament is a lot of people thinking that RPGs=D&D.

I agree with pretty much all of this. Personally, I'd still be happier with a maybe smaller RPG scene and less D&D dominance, because it would be easier for me there to communicate about my hobby. I'm not saying that D&D should step down/make room, or that it should be designed differently - I...

Which I read as "what you want from RPGs is marginal, please leave me alone with it, no one but you and your two friends are interested in that." I'm not begrudging anyone their D&D style fun. There's lots of aspects to it that I like (though I prefer to find them in Troika! and DCC, which do a...

I come from a country where, for most of the time, D&D played second or third fiddle to The Dark Eye and Call of Cthulhu (and probably also, at times, to Shadowrun). As far as I know, Fifth Edition has finally become number one here, but that's a more recent development. Therefore it's weird...

Thanks for clarifying! Out of curiosity, is there a specific reason for using 2d12 - I get liking the d12, but why 2? Is there some specific relevance of the scale of 2-24? I mean, I can get behind The One Ring, which uses a d12 that is actually a d0-10 (with two times 10) plus several d6, so...

Doesn't depend that on the system? I mean, sure, these are odds for "adventure" situations, but I still like to have a fixed scale on which to judge them.

Is the 12° system the same as in Shaow, Sword & Spell? I kind of tried to wrap my head around that, but TBH, bounced of the really weird scale (I think I could have dealt with 2d10 or 1d12, but 2d12 feels strange - I guess it's not inherently stranger than 2d6, but it produces numbers that just...

That's actually something that I don't like that much ... the idea of "breaking the scale" confuses me about what the numbers actually mean. With roll-under-systems it's clear that a 15 out of 20 means, well, 15 out of 20 - which actually retains one element of "more is better", because 15 out...

Well, if it's so terribly important to you to know and tell everyone how "normal" people relate to numbers, knock yourself out. Personally, I'm wary of these sweeping "that's just how human beings are wired" statements, but since this is a pretty harmless topic, I guess I might just as well drop it.