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I also agree with this but I have no negative feelings towards it. Basically any kind of TTRPG theorisation that reaches even a sliver of acceptance requires influencer-ing. Also, branding is important and what @Wofano Wotanto said

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This is an incredible find, I haven't heard of the game at all before this but this is really interesting. Also I'm very looking forward to reading that GM advice.

While primacy of character is important, premise and setting do work as a way to make sure everyone on the table are in the same page. It's probably why the idea of limiting ancestry for verisimilitude reasons are disliked so much, the not-entirely-canon-compliant Forbidden Realms in most 5e...

Yeah very much correct. While coming in raw with utterly wild characters that doesn't fit the party is a recipe for disaster, there are tables where that's fine--not in any that I've player though but I have seen it occasionally. But also usually NeoTrad play cultures does lead to complete...

I think it's just a consequence of wanting to fulfill the fantasy of being tragic/horrified, alongside the more common power fantasy when you play the monster splats.

Speaking of, I actually do think 'canon' settings have an important use in NeoTrad play even though we've constantly been talking about games where world-creation is distributed. OCs did have an appeal in putting stuff into ongoing media with large fandoms--Naruto, Sonic, Harry Potter. Creation...

Yeah, your other posts hits the nail on the head. The hell the character goes through in Neotrad is personalised to them.

Blorbo is a meme term in modern fandom twitter/tumblt when referring to a favourit character in a not-quite-ironic way--sometimes from another media(Games, anime, books, shows) or an OC you yourself create. You can cut meat and tofu with a spoon--doesn't mean a knife is pointless, you beat...

Fixed! Highlighted some sentences there to emphasize a few things @Reynard @Ruin Explorer

Also I've actually been using this tumblr post as another reference point for what games that supports Neotrad: I'm not familiar with all of these games so there's likely some examples there that I disagree with. Edit:Fixed

Entirely depends on game(system), game(campaign) and from table to table. Some very much would like to know exactly what happens and playing the table is more or less just to further the details, some only have a general route(Saura is going to sacrifice something important to her, be in grief...

Like I said, Fabula Ultima I think is the most obvious example of a modern game that caters to Neo-trad.

OC is very much not Story Now, it's Story Before(Using the terms as explained here) but it's written by the players--preplanned developments or character arcs that they themselves set. But the reason that I'm into OC is because I am an OC player; I like builds, I like having a flexible plan on...

Yes but games do espouse a certain playstyle to be the 'correct' way to play them, some more than others. Or to be more exact, what games caters to the neotrad playstyle?

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

It's a playstyle, but playstyle inevitably creates a design ethos as players try their hand at designing a game themselves or designers are making changes/new systems to better help with that playstyle. Like look at Chronicles as to how a system can develop into being more and more player...

Some forcefully(Fabula Ultima a PC can die only if they make a heroic sacrifice, otherwise they surrender and suffer narrative setback/the story's theme changes/they forcefully make a negative Bond towards the Villain. 13th Age every character must be tied in someway or another with the big...

Do you make the world revolve around the player or do you want the player to be part of the world? That I think is the main differentiation between Neotrad and Trad.

IMO Fundamentally, Neotrad can be described as 'High GM Authority but bent towards the players aspirations/desires with rules system as a 'check' for that authority'. So yes, that was Neotrad or at least a playstyle that's under the umbrella of Neotrad. Wish fulfillment and power fantasy are an...