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Never used the school restrictions for the EK/AT anyway. Other changes seem pretty nice.

I find this exemplifies this movie quite well. Not a theatre movie for me, but something I might enjoy on streaming.

A rose by any other name, WotC. Softer language, same meaning. Sure, have to start somewhere, but this does nothing to foster any trust or goodwill. That is, for me at least, still very much in ruins.

Well, this thread inspired me to pick up Kobold Press' Tome of Heroes....so, yay! In case it matters, I like the 5e system and plan to continue playing it despite WotC/Hasbro's foolishness. I just won't buy any WotC/Hasbro products. I blame WotC/Hasbro leaders for the debacle, not the game...

Oh man...half-ogres...lol. I recall a friend playing one and his battle cry was "It's all ogre now!" I swear the Skyrim mod Beyond Skyrim: Bruma somehow stole that from us when I saw it on a loading screen. :LOL:

We had some serious fun with the Bandit and Archer-Ranger "NPC" classes. I do miss 1e/2e. Not the system as much as the fun times with them, haha.

I generally don't anymore. Used to during the 3.x/PF1e days...but eventually it all simply became far too unwieldy for my group. That certainly isn't the fault of the 3PPs of course. Many factors went into it, but it was just too much (and a lot of that early 3PP stuff was....eesh...it...

To me, they were apologizing for the wrong thing. They're sorry they got caught. I mean WotC has really stepped in it. They've endangered their two main revenue streams; MtG and D&D (at least, I assume that's their two main revenue streams, I could be quite wrong). The MtG community has been...

I sometimes wonder if WotC/Hasbro are using this as some kind of playtest for a new game called Manure & Mines, because they sure have walked into (deliberately) a field filled with manure and mines, and are stepping in/on ALL of said manure and mines.

RIP Bard-in-Over-His-Head (was his name Jack Burton by chance?) :P

I had a similar experience not too long ago. Still have my 2.5e Spells & Magic....decided to leaf through it for fun, and was looking through the Build-A-Cleric options and....I was floored. You can make every other class in the game...but better with the 2.5e Cleric! Even thought "Wouldn't...

THAC0? I mean the head has exploded already...but....you know, just in case. ;)

For me, a good place for WotC/Hasbro to start rebuilding what they've just obliterated would be the resignations of the leaders primarily responsible for this debacle. I mean at this point WotC/Hasbro are in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" position (by their own hands). I feel...

Pretty sure that part of the statement is textbook gaslighting. Just my opinion.

To me, (and perhaps I'm just being naive) WotC/Hasbro destroyed any trust/goodwill I had for them. It's gone. Rebuilding it is possible, and it has to start somewhere (this is a start, but I don't believe them)...but that will take significant time and some serious efforts (plural) on their...

Gotta love Paizo. "You wanna do this again WotC? sigh Okay then, here we go."

Wild PR Surge, roll OGLd20 for effect.

Depends on the nature of the changes to the game for me. I started with 1e/2e (right around the transition). When 3e released, I was eager to switch, as I felt 1e/2e had a lot of pretty silly rules after having played it for a decade. Chief among them was the limitation of what race could be...