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Got all three books early, thank you chapters book store! Started a new campaign with four other guys, 2 regular and 2 new. They chose to make: rogue dragonborn rogue cat-person (eladrin reskinned, using halfling racial feat tree) cleric dwarf (worships the gawd of monsters) warlord human...

If the wizard can use his magic missile as a basic missile attack, can it count as a ranged weapon? More to the point, if a wizard multiclasses into ranger can he use some of those ranged weapon powers with his magic missile? -- unan

Has anyone played enough to know how much the rule of "bonuses not stacking if from identicle sources" affects the game? It seems like a pain to double check that all the bonuses aren't overlapping from simular sources... it makes sense for enhancment bonuses but for powers and feats?? Also...

in hell? wouldn't it go to chicago? is that the deal with doomsday? I wonder if they ripped off the tarrasque they do look a little simular...

I guess the OP is trying to fire up an in-depth analysis. Compared to earlier editions the new tarrasque is closer to the mark of what it "should" be, previous generations have required some significant modifying to get him to work well as the unstoppable killing machine. I like the gravity...

I have to say again; overall I am totally impressed and happy with the 4e MM art... but it is fun to focus on the negatives apparantly... I am sure that every contributing artist has an excellent portfolio. The crappy apples in the MM barrel are the result of lazyness, and/or rushed work...

Hero. I've allready received my DMG and MM, am dieing to play 4th, have two laptops all ready to be pdf machines... and i'm still waiting for my PHB. Why the heck would I introduce my players to fourth on a couple of laptops? I even have a hook up at a printer company to print perfect...

Overall the art is excellent. I'll just start with my negatives though; Tough call deciding which is the worst MM picture in the book, the group of cyclopsesess...es (cyclopsi?), or the group of orcs. Some of the monsters illustrations are SO bad... Not as bad as the worst of earlier books...

I don't know about buy.com, but I have recieved confirmation that my monster manual has shipped, this morning. So some books are shipping allready, somewhere... I wouldn't be surprised if some arrived early.

A new time line on my long standing homebrew world. Starting point: A colossal bat-golem-town. The people drag it to a high place, then launch it and glide around looking for other monster-cities to smash.

Yeah for sure. The monsters use the same system to "guess" which pc is the wizard, fighter etc. Still it will be a nice surprise for my players to figure the whole system out (they havn't been following the details online like I have).

Awesome, thank you. I would have wanted to see the shield kobolds use their most powerful ability (in my opinion) of shifting one square as a reaction to someone moving adjacent to them. Still the kobolds did a lot better than I thought they would even with things going more or less against them.

Hooray for the badguys! I'm sure they were the most surprised of all... Can you say which encounter specificly? when I run it I'll have the pre-gens skulls as decorations on these villains' armor or something (my groups waiting to play with their own characters).

well barring that we're missing something from the core rules... ha... it looks like the zombie minions have been subjected to a formula that leaves them a bit shorthanded. Doesn't seem like a crazy amount of xp difference so I say let 'er ride. Just add a note to the adventurers handbook...

weirdly, I really dont want any recycled art from 3e... but I would be stoked to see a handfull of retro pics from 1st, 2nd, basic, chainmail etc buried in the dmg somewhere. They haven't had any "hilarious" / comic pics since 1st edition... I'd like to see more of those.

i guess this is going to be merged into the general impressions thread... but specifically discussing the layout and design; yes it is very nicely done. My ink smudged despite being careful, and if i hadn't been aware of the fragility the tear I made in the "cover" would have been a lot worse...

Hmmmm... that is interesting. Yet if you give the controller extra xp for crazy minion boosting powers, what happens if he has only a few handy? or way too many? maybe there will be some minion boosting powers that increase xp value of the minions as well? My first thought was that the...

In a "real" campaign, especially at this low a level, I think you'd be robbing the players and yourself by easy-fixing a death regardless of its cause. If for the rest of the campaign death seems a real possibility the dramatic tension will more than pay for itself. However, if running this...

Yeah I think you've pretty much nailed it; the stacking aura-type bonuses applying to all minions is sure to be factored into their level. I can see zombie only buffs as well as undead only buffs cranking the zombies up into real nastyness.

more errata another little one the gelatinous cube stat block says it is spotted on a dc of 25, but the encounter text says to roll a spot check vs 20. I'm going to go with 25... ps the shadow form gaff is pretty lame!