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I dunno. (this is still about the example where the player was asked to describe how their attack killed an NPC and they came back with 'shredded'... right? Or am I responding to the wrong thing? My response below assumes it's about that.) Tacking on an added penalty because of the narration...

I think it's good that the hobby now has solid offerings in both of these extreme ends of the play spectrum, and several good examples in the middle. While running and playing PF2E I encountered a number of players who absolutely struggled with the gamist angle and kept finding themselves...

Well it looks like folks call this "paint the scene" and Alexander hated it so renamed it "description on demand" because that sounds less friendly and the OP just had the misfortune of finding Alexander's blog before the older Gauntlet article. :)...

Do you favor one person's preference over the many even at the expense of their enjoyment? To me it's not at all about which side has which stance. If my group all wants one thing and I want another - it's my time to leave.

See I had the opposite reaction. For me Daggerheart isn't going far enough. What many in this thread describe as an option you can safely ignore sets up a fatal flaw of Daggerheart for me - that you can ignore Painting the Scene. Mist falls down when people start debating tags rather than...

By partial contrast, the new fantasy game Legend in the Mist and its Cyberpunk-Fantasy sister game Otherscape almost do require it. Those games have no numbers on your character sheet. Just 'tags' which are typically 1-3 word descriptions of "something". Similar to a Daggerheart experience...

Well the GURPS example comes from a table I just got up from and left when he handed me a whole book of power ups. Months later I ran into another person who'd been a player in that game and learned that GM was still angrily ranting about me. :) But yeah. When folks tell me 'this is how it is...

Funny thing about me and absolutely loving the narrative questions of the "Paint the Scene" style (or the pejorative name Mr Alexander gave it of 'description on demand')... I absolutely HATE having to do this over kill moves. It probably needs to go on my list of 'lines and veils', and I've...

Yeah I can see that. A handy trick Daggerheart does in it's sample adventure is start the questions in some inanely low priority ways. "What's special about the trees here in Sablewood" is a prompt question for a GM to ask players. It's completely unimportant and just gives a player a moment...

That's a good theory but what do you do when you have a whole group going up and one guy insists on dragging them down? Lets hypothetically overstate the mismatching player here's preference for an example. No matter how much of a nice guy that one person is, do they get to hold the sway? If...

I've kind of tried to recommend that one to a few people who's brains worked the opposite from mine. It looks like a very solid game for more gamist players. If they manage good product support I suspect they will end up competing head to head against Pathfinder 2E. These days when I talk about...

That's one perspective. Here's another: https://www.rpgtabletopgames.com/no-prep-gm And the middle ground is probably where DH lies. Now, I do lean heavily towards the no-prep side because I think best when improvising. Even when I've done speeches in front of large groups I cannot work from...

I guess I really am a narrativist player and have been longer than I realized. Over the years I have very often debated GMs that tried to give my PC a 'freebie' edge. From getting a whole suit of extra abilities for a GURPS PC, to getting some freebie abilities, and last week I had a silly...

I would say yes but no or perhaps yes in a good way. You lose the cohesive vision but instead gain a consensus vision which, in a small group format, can be a net gain. I feel like Daggerheart run "as intended" should have between 3 to 5 players, and 5 is pushing it. For me this was one of the...

This entire tangent of engagement vs immersion is funny. But also a little off topic for me. However I might as well give my angle on it since everyone else has. :D I'm engaged in things I do and immersed in things I watch.

Well people also change with time. What I liked at one point and what I liked at another are rarely the same. :)

Sure and that's where we might have preferences differences. Alexander isn't here in this thread to explain his blog from 5 years ago and it is in that way kind of unfair to him that we're ripping it apart in here... BUT... He did say doing this style wasn't just not his preference. He...

I've been in the hobby since 1980 with a many year break from about 2005 until late 2022... Back in the day systems just weren't written for this kind of gameplay so I system shopped a lot, hit burnout often, and anything past the rules was often done on the fly. But it's also why I never...

Whereas I've used the 'Deadpool move' of turning to the camera and saying something to the audience both as a GM with NPCs and as a player with my own PCs. I'd probably cause those guys to fall right out of their chairs with 'hurumphing' complaints. ;)

This thread makes me really wonder what 2025-'Justin Alexander' thinks of Daggerheart, given that 2020-'Justin Alexander' raged against what would become one of Daggerheart's core ideas. Does he hold the same opinion today as he did then. Has it changed in one direction or the other and if so...