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If they wedge one type of magic into one little used save or have only a few outlier saves I will not be pleased. These will then be targets for players and DMs to grab to CharOp and Op the monsters vs the PCs. As it stands the basic game has three saves. I may leave it there for playing the...

Not really there are only 3 saves in 5e. http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?356511-Saving-Throws-design-choice

It is the exact 3e save system on the defenders side. For the spellcasters side it is a little different For 3e: Poor save scaled d20 + stat +0 to +6 Good save scaled d20 + stat +2 to +12 DCs Spells were 10 + stat + spell level Abilities were 10 + stat + 1/2HD So looking at just the spell...

If you want to add this to make a 4e feel. I suppose it works. Right now it is a 3e feel of CON, DEX, and WIS. The 4e style shores up weak stats but it also creates the potential of a dump stat in each pair. This was a major complaint with how saves were set up in 4e. I am ok with the...

There are not 6 saves (in basic at least), there are only the three DEX, CON, & WIS. See this thread. http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?356511-Saving-Throws-design-choice Then there are things like perception to notice Invisibility, or investigation to pierce an illusion, athletics to...

So it looks like STR, INT, and CHA saves went away in the spells. That means that the classes which have STR, INT, or CHA save Proficiency is just an extraneous class feature. It looks like we are back to Fortitude, Reflex, and Will saves. There are a couple of weird applications though...

Mass Cure Wounds and Prayer of Healing. Oops.

Blur, silence offer no save Invisibility and Greater Invisibility only offer Perception (WIS) skill checks and I had to look all around the book in multiple sections for this, I think passive perception comes into play with it too if I am reading it right. Dream is a WIS save, the one spell you...

Agreed, saves were a bit of a mess in the playtest and they continue to be in v 0.1 of the basic rules document. Hopefully they can actually make some updates to the system. If not actual rules updates perhaps a list of the most common house rules to the game. I am curious actually how they will...

Death savings throws are not savings throws instead just a simple 10+ roll. I would imagine a CON save DC XX would have been better, at least if you were going to call it a savings throw...

You roll sneak attack dice twice on a crit. Oh my.

And then if there is a feat that gives you proficiency in WIS and/or CHA saves. Does that become a feat tax?

I think we might see a spell focus type feat. I think the hard cap on stats at 20 is for normals, add in some magic and you might see stats above 20. I think the DC 19 cap is a soft cap.

Another interesting thing is that they have skills doubling as saves. So Investigation (INT) for disbelieving. But why not Acrobatics for DEX saves, or athletics for STR saves. And to top it off, for instance web spell you get a strength check vs the spell DC to move through the webs not a...

Scaling only adds in if you have proficiency in that save. So whether a 0 level 8 stat or a level 20 8 stat it does not matter they have the same chance of failure. I thought magic implements were in the playtest btw. I may be wrong though.

And then your player says let's see... I am 17th level so that is 8 +6 + my 20 stat equals 19 oh yeah and I have a +3 implement and I have that feat that (will likely exist) gives me +1 so my total DC is 23. You look down at your monster's 16 stat and only have +3 and go something is not right...

Tool proficiency is still a little weird to me. It smells like a skill and even works like a skill but it is not. Thieves tools looking at you...

I have a 3 DEX, I wear chainmail, I suffer no AC penalty to my AC from DEX. I think this one will get a lot of heat over the next years. Old one leg just needs some heavy armor and he'll be alright.

Turn undead and Destroy undead being automatic applications of all clerics. Maybe... I would have liked to see more diversity. It looks like you get an additional selection from your domain too but all clerics turning undead is meh. Evil clerics too? perhaps alternate rules for evil clerics, or...

Woot oh good I thought that was an oversight. It is just an exception to the round down always rule.