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Yes well, you said something... Blatantly incorrect. And followed it up with... This tedious affect. That sort of... Kneecaps any desire. To proceed with... An actual discussion.

See I'm biased because I like the idea of Ranger just getting an actual Expertise feature. Somewhere between Rogues and Bards. Got every food group for experts then, non-caster, half-caster, full caster. I forget if they got one in 2024.

Doesn't not work, but I'd sooner it not be a subclass ability at all. And my personal homebrew levelling table is already a bit packed. If I was considering where it (or something like it) could go for the 5E Ranger... I guess it could swap out Canny in Deft Explorer. Or be an additional option...

Uh. Yeah... I'm aware. It's not a scenario... Covered by the rules. That's why I... Posed the question. To this... Forum.

Will admit, part of me doesn't hate the idea of, at least something like that, being available outside that subclass. Not sure how I'd do it, though. I guess you could make an argument for this being an applicable scenario for the "Variant: Skills with Different Abilities" rules? Like how a DM...

Can definitely agree on the basis of cool, there! Puts me in mind of Spider-Man 2 on the PS2. Where you could crawl on walls, or sprint up them. And if you start out sprinting, you gradually slow down, and then automatically switch to crawling. Though that does make me think of something else...

Well, they're not 1:1, are they? Because of the "on your turn" stipulation. Say for example, you're trying to escape rising lava. A Monk is gonna fall and get cooked, because they can't stay on that wall.

This is some rules minutia I wanted to get a second opinion on, I could find a definitive answer on it. So, Monk's Unarmoured Movement Improvement at 9th level allows you to "move along vertical surfaces (and across liquids) on your turn without falling during the move". What I'm trying to pin...

That's close to what I've been saying! Ranger as a parallel to Paladin, equal-but-opposite style, is a nice way round it!

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, I don't envy them in that regard.

Oh yeah, I think that was the latest symptom of the same problem, they still couldn't bring themselves to wipe that particular slate clean. I don't disagree in principle, but I will say BG3's Favoured Enemy and Natural Explorer are... Not what I'd be looking for, in terms of an iconic feature...

I may have misinterpreted of course, but I took 'it' to mean "Ranger could've gotten a signature class feature that offers sustained bonus damage to their attacks, but instead we got Hunter's Mark as a spell, and any attempt to offer Ranger that sort of feature now is gonna chafe against...

Oh I mean particularly with regards to 5E and 2024. Only loosely aware of the previous editions.

Indeed not! Right, I think a lot of Ranger's problems come from this sort of place. Like, it's most clear in hindsight what the issues are, and now it's too late to course correct because of issues that've been grandfathered in.

Splintering off a bit here, but. I don't think signature class features have to be equally strong necessarily, but I would advocate for them being comparably nice. Y'know, you don't necessarily think of a Barbarian as lacking Action Surge, because they have Rage! I mention it specifically...

Yeah seriously, I was just about to say "that's just the background Outlander, you're describing Outlander". (A popular choice of background for both committed Rangers, and those intending to add a bit of Ranger-ness to their non-standard Ranger characters, it should be noted!)

I still wish Primal Awareness offered Pass Without Trace as it's 5th level option! Either in the UA or TCE! To me that seems much more universal a Ranger thing than Beast Sense or Locate Animals or Plants.

Yeah as I say, I do get the thinking. Works better for the classifications that contain sapient/awakened creatures, naturally. Less so for, y'know. Plants. Oozes.

While I get the thinking behind it, the languages feel strange. Obviously a fair chunk of the presented categories don't talk at all, but also I feel like a fair chunk of Rangers aren't going to have that much to say to their Favoured Enemies. Maybe "die". The other stuff, there are some bits I...

Jests aside, yeah that's basically what I would've said there. In terms of the "changing your Favoured Enemy" prospect in general though; you wouldn't expect this of, an Oath of Vengeance Paladin for example. That their respective targets are baked in at character creation and non-fungible is...