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I hate that too! I'd at least appreciate Druidcraft.

Yeah that's what inspired it, in part.

I somewhat dislike this, even if it's true. I like this though!

Okay, sure, I think that's fair to say. I do think they should lean into it comparably to the other two, though. What might be a workable way to bring them more thematically into the Primal sphere in that case? I guess particularly, with an aspect centered around their spellcasting that's also...

I definitely agree with some of this, Ranger's virtues not being all in phyiscal nor magical power, but in their intuition and flexibility certainly. But I do still kinda dislike the comparison of Rangers to Wizards, and the idea that they pick up magic just because it's useful that tends to go...

No I know, not trying to put words in your mouth, just saying I think the difference can be more blurred in a Fantasy setting, and especially through the lens of a Ranger. True, maybe not. At least not through a generous lens. Metal and fire come from the earth n' all that. This is mostly a...

I did figure, I mostly was too! Just also yes, it is a bit of a tangent to get properly into. Though I'm sure some would be more than happy to.

Hey I'm more than happy to cut it off here. It's the magic I'm trying to get a completely satisfying answer for.

All this said, I think we're mostly getting caught up in semantics a bit. I do take your point of course, yeah Rangers do use the tools of "civilization", but I don't think civilization has to be strictly antithetical to nature from the point of view of a Ranger, because humanity is nature...

Whenever this fact comes up, I'm inevitably reminded of that Attenborough video. Look at her go! (The whole thing in context is actually pretty fascinating but this clip out of context is still funny to me)

I feel like you're being needlessly combative with some of your responses, and I sincerely do not care to continue talking about this with you on that basis. Have a good one.

Yeah we don't of course, but surely it's fair to say some do in a fantasy setting. If not a fair few.

Right, sure. But even still, using tools and tactics are/were our assets as creatures within nature. I don't think they necessarily require a majority stake in civilization. Even if it generally does shake out to be so.

You said they're strongly associated with Gods and Churches, and I'm saying that's not an essential part of the Paladin's make-up like it is for Cleric's. Faith is, but faith as religion specifically, isn't. It's strongest in the Oath of Devotion, and can apply to a couple of others, but it's...

Not necessarily! It's mainly really Devotion Paladin, Conquest I guess if you want to take them in that direction but it's not part of their DNA. You wouldn't say a Vengeance Paladin or an Ancients Paladin has to be centered around a deity or church. Besides, I'm not saying they don't have...

Well, typically in 5E, it's just Divine and Arcane. I like Primal as a third in that equation. Gives the relevant classes a bit more legitimacy, I think. Druid, Ranger and sometimes Barbarian. I'm sure some folks would rather Wild Magic Barbarian not be inextricably tied to Primal magic. Totem...

Perhaps, though even if they were correct (which I don't think they are because those reasons I said), surely they'd agree that it'd be better if the two were distinct? That's what I'm advocating for (in part). When you're pitching a class to a new player, you shouldn't have to explain them in...

Can depend I reckon! You can have a Ranger that prowls like a Wolf or savages like a Bear! I know those are just Barbarian totems but for the sake of example! I think you're probably right, though I dislike it. Doing things to get more tools, get more power, that's Warlocks and Wizards. I...

Just for the sake of clarity, I don't necessarily mean the literal magic. Like, the spell lists and what-not. I meant more in-context. Cleric and Paladin are both fuelled by belief, Clerics are empowered by a deity they have faith in, and Paladins are walking embodiments of ideology that turn...

I think those are generally good readings of the classes, though they don't much tie into their magic. Which is what I'm hoping and praying for some inspiration in. I've said it a handful of times I feel like, but; Everyone can say what the actual difference is between a Cleric's and Paladin's...