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Quoting the 2024 text describing Reactions for reference: Certain special abilities, spells, and situations allow you to take a special action called a Reaction. A Reaction is an instant response to a trigger of some kind, which can occur on your turn or on someone else’s. The Opportunity...

I mean, it’s an oversimplification. I was echoing @BenjaminPey ’s phrasing for rhetorical effect. My point was that you do Actions on your turn; in order to do something outside your turn, you need to use a Reaction. I mean, I see what you’re saying and I don’t disagree. I just think, within...

Yeah, I don’t see anything wrong with Readying an Action and then using that Readied Action as a Reaction on the same turn, assuming the trigger happened on that turn, as in your example here. Because the Readied… thing you do… is being done as a Reaction, not as an Action. This is one place...

Again, the double-use of the word Action is complicating communication here. I don’t mean to say that you can’t ever perform an Action-as-thing-you-do outside your turn. Rather, Actions-as-things-you-do normally require you to spend your action-as-resource, which you can only do on your turn...

Well, yeah, it does depart from the text of the Magic Action. Because that’s what the Ready Action says to do when you take it, and in D&D specific beats general. When the Magic Action says you do one thing when you take it, and the Ready Action says you can use it to take the Magic Action but...

Which, would be better phrasing if the intent was not for Ready to be an Action in itself. Ergo, I think it is most natural to conclude that Ready is intended to be an Action in itself.

I mean, I largely find this to be a solid interpretative lens, arguably more consistent with the text than my resource-based interpretation. Credit where it’s due, this is a better reading than my intuition lead me to. That said, where I would differ is that, under this lens, I still see the...

Not necessarily. There may be something preventing you from attacking now, and if there was, the problem would be with the criteria. Just because dud criteria can be unproblematic in some circumstances doesn’t mean they aren’t the root of the problem (such as it is) with using Ready to...

I hate that they still define “interacting” and limit it to once per turn. In my opinion, if it’s a necessary part of some other action or movement, like pulling a lever as part of Utilize, drawing a weapon as part of Attack, or opening a door as part of moving from one room to another, you...

Oh, I see. Well, on that matter, I actually agree with you. But, there, I think the flaw being exploited is not the interaction between Ready and Magic, but the lack of any criteria for what you are or aren’t allowed to choose as a trigger. Personally, I wouldn’t accept “the enemy blinks” or...

I actually much prefer Ready to Delay, specially because it doesn’t just postpone your whole turn. It only allows you to postpone a single action, you must choose a (missable) trigger to postpone it to, and it costs an additional resource in addition to your action. This is good, in my opinion...

I love PF2’s three-action (and one reaction) economy. That’s probably my single favorite thing about the system.

What I’m saying is, I think it’s a completely different thing than what’s being restricted. Like, to use an analogy, would you say that eating a plant-based meat substitute like Beyond Meat is a “loophole” around the restriction against eating meat during lent? I wouldn’t, because it isn’t meat...

Huh. I mean, yeah, I guess that’s technically consistent with the wording. Though, I would say that the intent of the restriction seems to me to be to prevent you from using the Magic Action with the extra action granted by Action Surge, rather than specifically to prevent you from doing it on...

No. Because with the Ready Action you aren’t taking the Magic Action on your turn. Right, because Action Surge prevents using the Magic Action on your turn. If you’re using it on someone else’s turn, there’s no conflict with the restriction. Because the point of the restriction on Action Surge...

Loophole implies a thing that you aren’t supposed to be able to do, but under some technicality you’ve managed to get away with doing anyway. I don’t see this as a loophole because (in my interpretation) it’s just straightforwardly allowed. Even if you don’t agree, I think my interpretation is...

Yes. That is the premise raised in the opening post - a player using Action Surge to Ready casting a spell from a magic item, and my position is that this is allowed by the rules. Not, you do have to spend the charge on your turn and maintain concentration until the specified trigger occurs, at...

Follow-up: they are still accessible, and it allowed Attack, Dash, Disengage, and Dodge. So, I think that’s enough evidence to convince me that this interaction with Ready was probably an oversight. I stand by my belief that the interaction is a natural product of the system working the way it’s...

It could be, it just isn’t.

You’re still conflating Action-as-thing-you-do with action-as-resource. You only have one action-as-resource to spend to perform an Action-as-thing-you-do. Ready (in my understanding) costs an action-as-resource and allows you to perform an Action-as-thing-you-do by spending a...