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This was mentioned earlier in the discussion but as @W'rkncacnter points out, you're removing a core Herald mechanic if you do.

I'm reading the rules on p457 and it specifically refers to the PB*2 wording and short rest recovery. When you provide a mini exertion pool of PB does that automatically qualify for Exertion Recovery by RAW? I'm not calling you out, I am just interested in how you can word something such that...

This was the point I was trying to make. A buff to the Herald to eliminate a boon from the fighter dip. I have been noodling with the exertion pool and spell point values a little and it has made me realise that perhaps the biggest issue is the amount of exertion a Herald can get from spell...

No system is perfect. There is something "cool" about figuring out a class and how it can be played. Homogenizing this has it's benefits but I believe you'll lose appeal elsewhere. The DM suffers in adjudicating a change but the players feel like there cool stuff is being taken away. I'm...

Damn, I'm tired and forgot the basics of multiclassing.

This how I feel at the moment. Square one. Good roller-coaster though :) What if we just kept spellcasting and exertion separate for Herald? They receive exertion as a Fighter. They keep their spells. Now a Fighter dip doesn't get the benefit of another exertion pool. Fighters gain ways to...

Sorry, I made an error with the quotes. I had a bunch and clicked the wrong one, posted without checking, deleted, couldn't quote again,... had to copy and paste and use the quote function.

Sorry if I'm not getting this. The exertion point values (like Warlock spell points) seems the easiest to implement but I don't see how that solves the Fighter dip problem of stacking exertion pools. I don't see how this avoids the Fighter dip issue either. Whether we start as Fighter or Herald...

I think this is what the Fighter's Reserves(1) feature is supposed to do - become more efficient or dig deeper. Perhaps you could implement a similar feature for Herald.

I would appreciate it if you could expand on this. For instance, is this the change you'd make keeping all Herald features the same? Is this separate from the Warlock spellpoint/exertion progression? I think it is but I just want to be sure.

Herald exertion pool/points recovered on short or long rest?

Right. So Herald now gets an exertion pool that follows the Warlock spell point values. They then use said exertion pool to either cast a spell or use it for a maneuver. I like this and will suggest it to the table see what the response is like.

Do you mean that the spell points can be used as exertion? "You can convert spell points into exertion at the start of your turn"? Would that open the door for Warlock dips? Herald currently has in place that they can only convert Herald spell slots into exertion so Warlock and Sorcerer cannot...

Yes, proficiencies and saving throws. Overall, I think it's possible to bring the MC in line - use wording that doesn't accidently give the player a boon ;) Regarding @Tessarael 's idea for converting Herald's into an exertion caster, there is the Night Master feat that does this.

Good point. I did not realise I would contradict myself in the same post. My intention was that you would one exertion pool or the other not both etc. I thought the MC inconsistency existed already. A figther/wizard is different from a wizard/fighter - no?

This should be a different post at this stage but I will include this here anyway. Perhaps a simpler way to resolve this might be to just remove the exception for Heralds on p378 under Combat Maneuvers. Now if you start with a Fighter then you get it's exertion pool. If you start with Herald...

I understand what you're suggesting and I think there is merit in it. My only reservation is that it appears to be a rework of the entire class and that is a hard sell. My suggestion was coming from a place where small changes to the original wording would put it in a good place for...

I was thinking about a simpler way to handle this that includes minor changes to the original wording (emphasis mine): "Instead, at the start of each of your turns you can expend [one] spell slot of 1st-level or higher to gain exertion points that go into a temporary exertion pool which lasts...

I might be mistaken but if you're converting two(2) 3rd level Herald spell slots that would be +12 exertion. I left the comparison between short and long rests out because every table is different. I have been playing with 5e and now A5e for seven and one years respectively and have hardly ever...

For a Fighter build I think Dangerous Strikes has a place for a "switch hitter". To make that work we need available exertion for maneuvers that provide mobility and help with removing Opportunity Attacks. Off the top of my head: Start with "my build" - zero cost Dangerous Strikes; +4 damage...