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So first off, I appreciate the effort you put into offering a full explanation in this post and others. I’ll be happy to discuss the other points you raised later today, but I want to touch on this part first because I think it highlights why our approaches differ. From this and your previous...

Before I reply, can you clarify what it is you mean by thematically relevant? It might explain the difference between our viewpoints. Also, and this isn’t a challenge or anything like that, did you read the PDF I attached? I’d like to know whether you felt I covered NPC priorities adequately...

Thanks! However, I still don't see the implications behind the GM’s ideas being in the foreground. Is the same implication in the other post where you said "There’s nothing that speaks to what the players want out of play.”? Along with the other comment “It seems like a menu of GM options and...

If I understand correctly, there are two main points you are making. “There’s nothing that speaks to what the players want out of play.” “It seems like a menu of GM options and the players get to choose from it." I’ll start with the second. Yes, it does resemble a menu of options—one created...

Thanks. This is helpful, it brings together many of the elements you've mentioned across the thread. I see how you're linking referee setup, goals, obstacles, consequences, with a broader ideas of running a campaign. What’s not yet clear to me is what you see as the implication of that. What...

Why do you feel it isn’t as player-driven as claimed? You mentioned it sounds like a series of old-school adventure modules, could you expand on what you mean by that, and how it connects to your view of player agency? I’m asking because I think if we dig deeper here, we might find the specific...

What is the implication of this from your point of view? I traced back your conversation @mamba and I did not a get a sense of why you considered this an issue. If you’ve already explained this earlier in the thread, would you mind pasting it here? It would really help clarify things for...

I refer you to this earlier post of yours. I was being challenged by another poster about how "character-centric play" was being defined in my conversation with you: I directed them to you because it was clear from our conversation that you had a working understanding of what character-centric...

I understand the frustration, and I agree that mischaracterizations from any direction don’t help move the conversation forward. In my experience, both here and at the table, it’s more productive to focus on the substance of ideas rather than the tone or repeated reframing others may bring. When...

I got you covered on this. Having three or four things is not quite how folks who have been running sandbox campaigns have been doing things for the past couple of decades. That issue has long been covered by a bunch of folks, including myself. For example Blackmarsh (free download) Or my...

Decent adventure, unfortunate name. It not a classic but I found it to be a decent adventure that makes quite a bit of sense. The mining rules are not bad either. The interesting wrinkle is the addition of rival adventuring parties.

At this point, I think we’ve reached the limits of a productive exchange. I’ve done my best to explain how I run living world sandbox campaigns, how sandbox campaigns function in general, how the world reacts independently, how player choice drives the action, and how the referee adjudicates...

It seems like the issue is being framed as if proponents of sandbox campaigns believe some external authority mandates this approach, as if we’re saying “this is the only real way to play.” That’s not the case. The point is that when you choose to run a sandbox campaign, you commit to a...