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So what are the characters doing in the camp, exactly? Aren't they here for something other than killing gobs? A treasure maybe ? One the surviving gobs could run away with?

You're describing a static world where everybody's waiting to be mowed down by the party. If the characters invade a camp and kill 80 % of its inhabitants, what kind of intelligent creatures would stay there waiting to be killed, anyway? The "adventuring day" was narratively finished. The camp...

So the characters decimated the clan in a huge battle against 20 of them. Battling three more would be inconsequential, and the most logical outcome is the remaining three flee for their lives (and maybe become better antagonists later). Characters won the day. The rest is well deserved.

But if you fight the goblins before resting, there's no problem, is there?

The three goblins can cover the hut with dry leaves and branches, climb up a tree and wait with fire at the ready. They can spread the surroundings with honey or gamey meat to attract some wolves and bears. They can cast a net around the Hut. Maybe they'll be defeated at the end all the same...

And that's why, in the context of DnD, as to me, I'd rather avoid linking rests to mechanical or procedural results at the rules level (though it can be very appropriate at the module level). Because some rests are supposed to be taken. Some rests are ok, some are even necessary. How can you...

Rests opening up "hard moves" (however you want to call it) for the DM is basically what we were all saying with our "rests have narrative consequences". Time passing, random encounters, bad guys organising: all these are DM hard moves in PbtA parlance.

That's completly in line with my current games, yes.

Which is exaclty what seems sensible to do if you want to play a little attrition. They do. Now the three difficulty threshold read like: — Low : no ressources needed. Will not tax the PCs, or nothing a short rest wouldn't offset. — Moderate: some ressources needed. Will tax the PCs, but a...

The loss of the multiplier changes things a lot, wouldn't you say? Not against single opponents in the lower levels indeed, as you noticed, but single opponents are few and far between.

It encourages you to put some minions around your boss monster, yes, which is a common advice and a good practice. And in my experience, it totally expects a fully rested party in its calculation, meaning: if you put a fully rested party in front of this fight, you'll have this result. A high...

2E is very low on my personal list. Not the rock bottom thanks to Planescape, but that's mostly all. Basic is way above, but way below 5E for me.

I know its on mine, some posts up. Maybe because I'm not an hardcore dnd fan, I don't know, but it's clearly not my "second favorite edition", it's the only one I like, even if I did play quite a few campaigns with Basic and 2E back in the days.

Who said the GM aren't happy? I'm a perfectly happy GM.

I did answer exactly to this in my previous post. More specifically to this: What would be yours? 0 %? I mean, is the combat supposed to be challenging without the possibility of defeat? Or is the expectation here that fights only taxes ressources, they never threaten lives? If it is what...

If I may sum up my understanding and related questions about some of the (numerous) things said in this thread: . The game is not suited to "nova players". => Indeed. 2014 was aimed at veteran players with a tendency towards old school dungeoneering, where rests are not easy and fights...

Might it be that many people like it like that? Being that playing with characters always on full health, disregarding any narrative constraints is purely a choice, akin to select the easy mode or cheesing saves in a video game, and an entirely valid preference, why should we add hard coded...

The 5E24 guidelines is kinda designed around this expectation. With casual players, high difficulty encounters will often threaten the party.

I think the game in itself, in all of its parts, is designed to engage players in the fiction. Not to say that it's a given in all and every games and that idly playing just to push minis around is not valid or something, but it's clearly NOT the core experience the game is aiming for, which is...

City of Mist (a hackable hybrid of Fate and PbtA with which I can retroengineer loooot of games; character-centered, personal developments, mystery plots, enigmatic settings) D&D 5E (standard fantasy adventure game with which I should be able to please any of my co-castaways; plot-centered but...