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Yeah, its probably more accurate to say that the modern period is not so much represented by better tools (which only makes sense from specific postures) as more tools (which I think is much harder to argue against, and when done is every bit as much a specific agenda thing).

Though I think you can't write-off generic systems as a group as "not modern" when things like Cortex exist. But that also may not have been your intent.

Hurm. So much of this depends on what I'm trying to do. If I'm trying for zero-to-hero, I'd probably go with Pathfinder 2e. If I want a more flat version of characters who only advance to a limited degree, probably something BRP based or maybe GURPS. Fantasy Hero would be a compromise case.

I think "post-apocalypse" by itself doesn't cover enough of the ground, really. There's recent, mid-term and long-after versions of that, too, and they can look pretty different (a pretty fair bit of fantasy settings land in the long-after category, though some of them lean into it more than...

They're certainly not intended to be used without some assembly. There's a reason most of them that get any traction end up having setting and/or genre books made for them after a bit.

Apparently not, since I tried that in the post you were originally responding to and you simply denied the points and acted like they were invalid. Make extremely broad assertions, expect them to be challenged; present things as a moral failing, expect to be called on it.

Hmmm. In what way do you consider Alternity and Rolemaster similar? Handling of the way abilities fit into classes?

This is often the problem with semantic discussions; finding a term that isn't either too broad or negatively loaded can often be a challenge. Contrary to what might have come across from some of my posts, I'm not automatically hostile to a system that is assembled by originally ad-hoc...

And neither is everyone else. You're overextending the fact it doesn't work well for everyone (it'd be something the group I play with would get tired of pretty quick) to generalizing or universalizing. You either need to stop doing that or start assuming other people are lying about how their...

Again, the problem you're missing that in some groups this isn't disruptive. Its what they do during play. Note upthread @TwoSix mentioned that's like 80% of his game play. Even the spotlight hogs are often just something that happens some of the time that other players just take as part of...

Nope. I've heard of this for groups that have been playing together for years. Its just a dynamic with some individual players or groups. I'm not talking about people I'd call rabble rousers. These are just people who (usually; the spotlight hogs can be a different beast) think that's what...

Because its Bloodtide.

And I tried to make a distinction between two versions of that, and apparently that's not working. So, I again repeat I'm uninterested in continuing to chase that.

Not at all what I said, but if you care to read it that way don't let me stop you.

I'm thinking perhaps you left a word out of this, since as written it doesn't make much sense.

And as with Soviet above, I'm suspecting that's because you care about some distinctions that for many people are just not that relevant. And that's very much about having the right tools for the job.

Which from my point of view I tried to do and you seem to dislike it. There's only so much effort I'm willing to put in here.

My experience is it can go both ways (though, honestly, I question whether they'd frame it in their heads in either case the way you did very often; I'd be willing to bet a non-trivial number of people who get attracted to Dogs do so because of the setting and conceptual color rather than...

I've heard stories about this, and seen some limited forms of it. When done collectively, its sometimes the sign of people who, well, really aren't that interested in the game elements of the game; they'd be just as happy with freeform roleplaying, but they're where they are. When done...

I kind of am saying that, which is why I wanted to use the term "purposeful" for the other case. If you don't like the distinction I'm making there, there's probably little point in continuing. As I said, not much reason to continue then. It doesn't seem so to me. Its making a distinction I...