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I'm firmly in the "self-hosted or bust" school; even with the best of intentions I don't want to be dependent on someone else to host my game. Edit: Past that, I'm a man of simple needs; though I now use some macros, all I really need is map and token hosting, and perhaps some minimalist light...

Not much more to say on the subject then. But I wanted to keep that visibible to people, because there's a lot of criticism that acts like its back in the 3e days of a good dozen modifiers. (To make it clear, I didn't respond to the rest because I consider pursuit of speed almost always...

Only a criticism if you don't find fun in the extra steps.

It may very well be the smarter way to go but--surprise, we're not all smart about all things, and can take a long time to learn even if we do. Like I said, I took literally years to decide much as I was going to regret it, GMing for the group I'd played with for decades just wasn't working any...

You at least understand that some people legitimately want some distance and are working from a writer-level approach to the game. They may not give you what you want out of other players, but you don't seem to consider their approach illegitimate.

Hmmm. I didn't remember there were any cases where a Raise wasn't in steps of four. Some Edge or another? Normally you're not necessarily getting an Advance every session, either. And its one thing when you do. Yeah, you have choices, but "having choices" seems to be an odd thing to have...

Well, yeah, if they say they were sabotaging it, that's a different story. Its when they say "I did X" but someone adds on in their head "because Y" I start to roll my eyes. Internet Telepathy is notoriously poor.

How's that any different than DC or AC numbers? I'm guessing they hadn't played with damage absorbtion armor systems at all before? (I'm not being snide, people who've freshly emerged from the D&D ecosystem often haven't). I'm not sure why that'd be difficult, but if they did they did...

An entirely defensible argument. But not the only place people keep telling themselves if they just try again... I just do have to point out there can be a lot of practical constraints for a lot of people (transportation, time frames) that can make them very slow about doing that sort of...

That's what I wondered. Huh. Odd. Only thing I've ever had trouble explaining to people about SW is the slightly odd way skills and attributes interrelate, and in the case of people unused to it conceptually, the open ended dice.

I should note that PF2e has a maximum of about five steps you can play there, and some of them are hard to apply at will. That's because they compressed the modifier types from what it once was so you're not doing the 3e era "chase a dozen potential modifiers" thing.

I'll give them the first part of this is at least an arguable point. The second one is the same defense Advantage/Disadvantage is let off on, and I roll my eyes about it there, so it doesn't sell me better here.

Well, without referencing the system I'm not going to say there might not be a good reason to do it that way in the context of other structural elements (I'm not going to give D&D the same benefit of the doubt because I understand its mechanical structure better), but it still doesn't strike me...

This assumes that's what they think they're doing. The problem there can be that you've got enough of them that what you're actually deciding is to pull the plug on gaming yourself. As I said that isn't a trivial decide for a lot of people. It took me literally years to decide to do so with...

I think you have a distinction that isn't held up in the wild. People who really want to game will put up with a lot of annoyance for quite some time before they toss in the towl, and this is made even more true if they're playing with people they consider friends. That doesn't mean they...

As I've noted before, while there's some variance here even in D&D, there's been traditionally some pretty active hostility among some participants to the idea that player can even introduce elements to the setting in downtime, and more against them doing so on the fly. This isn't even...

The only thing that will kill this is if you have players who don't want to engage with the situation at all, and that's a problem in virtually any sort of RPG of any style (yes, even sandboxes; if the players don't want to engage with anything, nothing happens). You presumably have buy-in in...

I think the problem is the latter is not actually true for a lot of people for various reasons. I've seen a number of people who flat out won't play online (as in, playing face to face trumps any other concern) and at that point they're going to keep chasing whatever face to face game they can...

Certainly. I'm just noting you can easily have one or more examples in a group of people who are working at cross-purposes because, in practice, its "the only game in town" and they want a particular mix of experience that's going to be hard to find no matter what they do, so they keep trying...

Depends on whether its the tactical element or other parts that have you burned out.