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Oh, it's true.

Oh God, yes... :'(

Didn't 4e have that?

Agreed. I just think DMs are likewise not a different breed of human, and so the idea that they have final say over the character, even if the rest of the group see it differently is...interesting.

Don't ask me, I'm not the one saying they can't. Apparently we just have to trust our DMs, because we are in danger of not knowing better (a flaw they are not prone to as much, it seems).

If one plays with bad faith players, then I suppose you can't trust them to interpret their character correctly, especially their alignment, so then I guess it's up to the DM...who I assume is never acting in bad faith and has some measure of infallibility.

Absolutely no reason to think this is true, assuming everyone is operating in good faith.

You are, though one could understand why you might be a little unsure: People have, almost 2 decades later, found a new way to criticize 4e. One would have thought it impossible, but here we are.

Yeah, but now, in addition to everything else, 4e can be morally wrong because of its mechanics...so, that's fun. :)

I just completed the 1-20 Blood Lords AP as an investigator. It worked extremely well.

Sigh... 1) You both assume the club. Which is fine. My point was that, in the comics, DD doesn't need the club to take out the thugs, pronto. 2) Sure, he fights in hallways and whatnot. It's just that he shouldn't need them to take out the thugs in comic fashion. In other words, DD takes out...

Ok, so in your scenario, DD always uses his club (because sure, why not?) but in the comics he doesn't (doesn't have to) and he still doesn't have any trouble with the thugs. But let's just assume club. As Ray noted, DD still needs to hit each thug twice, unless they get slammed into a wall...

We aren't going to agree that you read what I wrote. If you had, you would have seen this: "DD is still overwhelmingly likely to win this battle, but he’s likely to sustain noticeable (if not significant) damage before the encounter is over." and as such wouldn't have written this...

Dude...just say you didn't read what I wrote.

... The point is not whether I like how MSH plays or not. We were talking about whether or not the system can easily recreate common scenes from the comics; DD taking on 5 thugs is about as common as it gets, and MSH can't really recreate it well.

It doesn't just depend on the tactics; the math of the game means it can't simulate what happens in the comics very well. Keeping with my example, in the comic books, 5 thugs is not really a challenge for Daredevil; it's a pretty standard breeze-through encounter for him. DC Heroes RPG has a...

I looked at the rules to be sure...evading* ("The Evading character makes no attacks that round" page 27) and blocking ("The character using a block may take no other action..." page 28) meant no attacking at all. So...the DD vs. 5 thugs problems remains...yes? *And again, evading only works...

It WAS a trade-off if it was in a Slugfest; Dodging only worked against ranged and charge attacks, while evading worked against melee, and only one combatant at that. It also meant you could not make any attacks that round. Blocking also meant no other actions. So the Daredevil vs. 5 thugs...

I remember that one could make extra attacks, but I don't remember extra actions...

Sure, but that took their action for the round, no? DD is no closer to defeating the thugs if he does this.