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I think the problem is the latter is not actually true for a lot of people for various reasons. I've seen a number of people who flat out won't play online (as in, playing face to face trumps any other concern) and at that point they're going to keep chasing whatever face to face game they can...

Certainly. I'm just noting you can easily have one or more examples in a group of people who are working at cross-purposes because, in practice, its "the only game in town" and they want a particular mix of experience that's going to be hard to find no matter what they do, so they keep trying...

Depends on whether its the tactical element or other parts that have you burned out.

I'm rather bothered by the capped/cancel out combo (that's one of the things I dislike about Advantage/Disadvantage) but it may be that things normally covered by that are handled by other effects in DS.

Yeah, some people in the "no gaming is better than bad gaming" can't understand people who want to game enough they'll deal with a lot of problems to try and get a game in, and sometimes that's what's required.

SotDL Banes/Boons add or subtract a D6 from the D20 roll involved; they don't stack, exactly, but they can cancel each other, and if you get multiples on one end you roll all and take the highest D6, so there's some cumulative effect, but its diminishing returns (the most you ever need to roll...

I don't remember how you feel about Savage Worlds, but it comes to mind. Do you want fantasy or something else?

I ran an XCOM campaign with Savage Worlds some years ago. The base management was admittedly an essentially added-on subsystem, and to represent some elements of the game I did a four sets of custom Edge chains, but it otherwise worked pretty well. If I hadn't gotten obsessed with trying to...

Yeah, but thread drift is one of those things that tends to have kind of broad impact in what occurs on fora. Ironically in a way that actually relates to this thread topic in kind of a roundabout way.

I'm apparently a source of mixed interest and frustration to my cardiologists. Edit: Just to make it clear that's not as bad as it sounds, its more that I have occasional outbreaks of atrial fibrillation, but it doesn't seem to otherwise impact my health, nor have, well, any cause that any...

I agree with the first, but having the capacity to shut opponets temporarily out of actions can be very tactical in a "defeat in detail" sort of way.

Good design from a game engagement POV. The biggest negative reactions I see in 13th Age are to Stun (which pretty much shuts you out until it goes away), Confusion (which makes your actions active hazards to the other PCs) and Weaken (which allows you to take actions but seriously messes them...

Well, that gets into the whole issue that I think lumping process sim and genre emulation together was badly aligned from the start.

How sensetive people are to threaddrift--varies considerably.

I expect @TwoSix was saying that if you thought their comment was inappropriate thread drift, you could report them.

I'm not sure, from my understanding of GNS principals (which is admittedly not super-extensive since I think its definitions get progressively more borked once you get outside narr) that's a sentiment that would sit well with any of the three wings; its certainly not something that serves...

Though I should note some degree of that well predates that. Though not entirely freeform (they're binned in categories) the specifics of what Disadvantages are and some skills goes all the way back to the Hero System, and I don't know that most people would consider that a narrative game even...

Its certainly an issue, though how related is hard to tell. I do tend to think there's probably a higher ratio of people who dislike negative conditions imposed on their characters that frustrate actions (which, depending on the specifics, can include most of what you mention) among people who...

That was largely my point. My personal feeling is that the two pieces of string don't really meet in the middle, but how much that matters depends on the perspective of the players involved.

No, but its not something you can ignore potentially being a thing. You won't even necessarily know in advance if you've mostly played games with limited tactical buy-in. Heck, they may not know if that's been what you've run in the past.