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Hold on while I calculate how long that will take you based on +1 post per player.

The 5e PHB also told players to check with the DM for changes and the rules gave the DM veto power, but there were still tons of players who felt that if it was in the PHB, they could just pick it. If the DM said no, he was big bad wrong funning them. Putting it in the DMG makes it crystal...

Yeah. I will point out, though, that the Cha 8 guy farting in front of the king can still shift the course of nations. Just maybe not in the direction the PCs want them to go. :P

No. That was never a thing. This has always been about a single +1. For like 12 pages or something. Yes. I do know that a +1 matters little. It still isn't a single +1 like we've been talking about. The expected outcome involves no tactics apparently. Are the ogres all just hitting...

Well, you flubbed the second group. We are trying to look at what +1 str bonus does, yet you gave that group an additional con bonus as well. That needs to go, because it skews the results.

All the stats are good in various spots, but charisma can shift the course of nations.

It wasn't an example meant to be used, as was clear from the context. I was simply showing that percentages don't mean a whole heck of a lot, because that was a 100% increase and the only way you could even begin to make it matter was to cherry pick something ultra weak for the PC to face.

Against a cherry picked CR 1/4 creature. Sure, but I don't see how you can overcome that it still only amounts to one extra hit every multiple combats and that most monsters that aren't cherry picked CR 1/4 are great bags of hit points, so the extra point of damage won't mean much. Unlike you...

Yeaaaah, that ain't actually happening with your math. Your math completely ignores combat abilities, terrain and other things on both sides. Your white room is nifty, but doesn't mean much in actual game play. It doesn't matter. Pick a background that doesn't give a combat feat.

Unless you're suggesting that the PC is never, ever using anything else to attack except for his stat bonus, it will never be more than that. It will always pale in comparison to everything else the PC has to bring to bear. Thanks for proving my point. The PC is probably going to lose whether...

I wondered the same thing, but since I couldn't read the article... 🤷‍♂️

Yep. I went to read it, but I don't do paywalls or account walls.

Yes and no. The +1 won't mean that much with regard to hitting and damage over the long term of the campaign, so it's not all that effective on it's own, but it's also even less effective than that when you add in all the feats, class abilities, spells, etc. that go into a combat. Those are...

I'm not sure if my life was made better or worse for seeing that. Well, today I learned...

You're missing @Scott Christian's point. His point is that there are so many variables in combat on both sides, that the +1 cannot be said to be 18% or 28% more damage. It might be more. It might be less. Overall it's probably less than 1% of a PC's effectiveness in combat.

So first, he said that as a bonus to you. The reality is that it would be 1% or less effective. Your math doesn't change that, either. Your math is purely about +1 damage, when the combat pillar includes all class abilities, racial abilities useful in combat, magic items, feats, etc. So...

First, you don't get to tell me what I have been claiming. I get to tell you. Second, I've refrained from calling you a liar for your constant and blatant misrepresentations of my arguments, even after being corrected several times. Don't do it to me, especially for your error over my claims...

Okay dude. Factually does afford = doesn't afford. got it. :rolleyes: You just answered your own question. They don't need to be flawed. Nor do they need to be flawed to a much greater degree by allowing all 6 stats. You fix flaws, not make them worse. And you are wrong. I've seen many...

Last night was full of a lot of strange dreams, but I never imagined that any of my dreams would ever be influenced by @Snarf Zagyg. I just can't see any other reason why in one of my dreams, I came across a very old Dragon Magazine special edition where every D&D article in it was about...

The claim was you will hit 5% more often. The actual claim, and not your Strawman, is mathematically correct. +1 is 6.5 damage. The 18% is utterly irrelevant. It's a Red Herring designed to try and trick people away from what matters. What matters is that it's a single, solitary, extra...