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not supporting Yarrel's point, just responding to the question, but even amongst the base PHB backgrounds (14' at any rate) there are a good few backgrounds which do give a free language, some even give multiple. but yeah i would not consider 'a group that shares the same language' to be any...

i wonder if you could at least get them down to four and that'd still offer a range of targets but better balance on targeting frequency, STR/CON, DEX, and then INT/WIS, CHA or INT, WIS/CHA, i don't know which way of the two would be a better split, but breaking down into rough conceptual...

you can have species cultures without the assumption that every elf is born knowing how to wield a longsword and speak elvish, that's the point of it being a culture and not part of their species entry, it's what they teach, learn and value in elf civilizations, and you can even have multiple...

it seems the part of the thread where we just throw long posts of number and calculations at each other has begun, so that's my cue to check out of the conversation for a while until that blows over.

I don’t know about any magic items specifically but would your party value having ownership of a pocket dimension bastion? Just like a pendant that opens a magic door anywhere to it. If you want to make it more on theme maybe all the staff inside are kobolds or something.

no, obviously politicians really need constitution, so that they can endure long meetings in uncomfortable chairs and make their saves VS sleep.

sorry, but i'm failing to connect how that relates to what i said? and when have you ever needed a specific mechanical configuration of your character to claim your half-elf passes as human? uh, can i get a second run by on that sentence please.

well, i can either play an elf with a background feat or a human with one, but if i want to play a half-elf i have to give up my background feat to BE a half-elf in the first place, one of equivalent power of the elf or human, methinks that certainly falls under the definition of a feat tax.

my point is unless every species has it's own dedicated species feat slot for that 'something extra' it's going to be competing against the player picking ASI and class feats, it's the same problem feats already have but with another layer of selection to filter them out.

alternatively, they could also just be part of their innate features and locked behind a level threshold rather than the price of a feat, it's not like the 24' designs haven't started dipping their toes in 'at X level your species gains Y', mostly it's just been uses of higher level innate...

it is a nice abstract isnt it? :ROFLMAO: though honestly it's really not as complicated as it appears, mostly you're just following the path you're on one node at a time, which primarily are either just minor stat boosts or single abilities, and some of the paths intersect at points.

Okay, some clarification please, I feel like at least one of us must be misunderstanding the other here, you don’t want single class characters eliminated in a system that allows point buy feature multiclassing right? If this is so then i must ask why you turned around my proposal of characters...

no, i didn't. edit: no let's answer this properly, there's no good reason why your guard has to have alert as their designated background feat or can only be strong, intelligent or wise, there's no reason my guard couldn't of been charismatic and got along really well with the civilians with a...

yeah it's almost as if these fixed background-ASI-feat combos are counterproductive to producing flexible character design.

suppose it depends on if you're trying to encourage or limit 'multiclassing' in that kind of design structure.

i mean, i don't think it's impossible to have something like that in a point buy system, just add a rule that says something to the effect of 'if you already have X number of [warrior/mage/expert/priest] features subsequent [warrior/mage/expert/priest] features will cost Y points less' unless...

that is not what i am suggesting and also i think it fundamentally fails the task to be multiclassing due to lacking anything resembling actual classes. there's nothing fundamentally wrong with point buy character building but please recognize some people actually like using classes.

Oh, and for those who don’t know what it is or how it worked take a look below, all your characters progressed along those various pathways one node at a time at each level buying new abilities and stat boosts from the node you were currently on, certain paths were essentially a class...

We should adapt a 5e version of FFX’s sphere grid. :LOL: