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Well again, the idea that boss monsters have to be designed to withstand these powerful control spells would have to remain. Whether its LR or some better system is of course the debate. I do like A5e's take on it, where LRs work as they do, but it usually results in the monster getting weaker...

I know this is 20 pages back but I wanted to address it. As noted several times in this thread, control spells are not innately OP, they just tend to be OP against single monster encounters. So from a design perspective, it makes all the sense in the world to target the boss monster for chance...

i recently ran an ambush where a wizard group used a few of them to hit the party as they were coming out of a dungeon the group knew they had gone in. Had to include an npc with some anti-magic to avoid a tpk. Party was all too happy to nerf that spell into the ground after that

Probably the best summary of A24 right here. I'm a big supporter of theirs, as in a world of remakes they are one of the few studios that are actually pushing the craft of movie making imo. Sometimes you get a breakout, and sometimes its a swing and a miss....but I like that they keep swinging.

Maybe like edition skirmish:) The edition war back in the day was pretty nasty, arguments got really really REALLY heated. In comparison most of these arguments are fairly calm.

I understand that its not a topic that is pertinent to everyone, but there are people that geninuely want to know "is dnd healthy business wise?".... "is Dnd growing or shrinking?", etc etc. The issue is because there of the lack of hard numbers, a lot of the discussion moves into speculation...

It is a discussion of sales numbers, and so has come to include a discussion of 2024. The question was really around, ok we see this huge growth between 2013 and 2019....does that trend continue with our new half edition or have things slowed down? That was the debate, and a perfectly reasonable...

Right, so until we see those numbers I think stating 5e has peaked is incorrect. I know from quotes that 2024 has outsold 2014, but that is still vague on details (is that for the year 2014, is that for the best the 2014 edition ever did, etc).

Right but the point was we haven't likely hit peak 5e yet if the 2024 numbers have outsold the 2014 ones, at least in these initial couple of years it has been out.

Peak meaning sales? We have already seen other quotes that 2024 has outsold 2014 at least in the initial year, so certaintly didn't peak in the timeframe quoted. It seems to still be going.

Why do they call your group the Menagerie? ooooooooh.

Can we get a source on this? And that's not me being ornery here, if we can get some validation this is a very solid metric to use in these discussions, and I want to ensure people see it and use it.

From the 2014 rules on hiding: "You can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly" Normally invisibility gives you the concealment you need to hide out in the open. But with that gone, the caster can now "see you clearly" and you are no longer hidden.

We are looking at the 2014 rules not 2024 (where things with that are even more messed up). But in 2014...see invisible makes an invisible thing visible. Now it does not technically say "remove the Invisible condition"....but we are at accountant level of stingy to go that far imo. With the...

Yeah but considering that this is a half edition (frankly a quarter edition), that is still a great note for them. Half editions don;t normally sell as well as the OG product.

Part of this can be mitigated by DM presentation. It is true its easy to focus on the "kill shots" and not recognize everything else that lead up to that. If I cast a fireball and it hits 5 guys but none of them die, at first glance....yeah it feels pretty crappy. But if the DM goes "holy...

Yes, but imagine if the coder for that game didn't have to bump up the stats for all of the monsters. they also had to add in new monsters and completely change up the encounters to adjust to the proper difficulty. And you had to do this week in and week out. And you don't get paid. Welcome...

And Adventurer's Guild. We have to remember that a number of people never get to play home games, there only dnd may lie in gaming events and AG adventurers. All of the broken stuff is available to them by default.

Now that we have had some time to let the box office settle, the consensus seems to be that Superman was NOT a box office hit. Ultimately it lost money once all the expenses were tallied up. But its an interesting debate, there are a lot of notes around merchandising, streaming numbers, etc...

and why it wasn't buffed in 5.5? Honestly 8d6 at 5th level is pretty darn good. A 5th level cleric might have 31 hp. So a single fireball with just a touch above the answer can absolutely melt some 5th level characters. as was noted, its really the upcast where the problem lies. A 8d6 3rd...