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Type, species, race, manifestation . . . we're trying to argue semantics over fantasy creatures. Are demons a "species"? Trying to use a real world definition of species doesn't quite fit, as supernatural creatures don't really exist. It's similar to elves vs humans . . . are they different...

Dude, she's monster-girl hot! Er, or so my friend tells me . . .

No, it was the ancestors of House Atreides and House Harkonnen.

Ew. Nope, marliths are quite clearly sexy ladies with snaky bottoms. Gross, drippy, melty ladies with snaky bottoms? I'm sorry, canon is important. /kidding

Really can't take that point of view seriously. This isn't change for changes sake but rather fear of change, fear of inclusivity on the part of fans.

Ah, but it isn't "change for the sake of change" now, is it? It's change you don't like, but there is very much a reason for the change.

Again, while I favor the updated marilith in the 2025 MM, this isn't an argument I can get behind either. Each of these creatures have seen drift in design over the 50 years of D&D, but don't really fundamentally change. The biggest "lore change" seen in the above art is, do gold dragons have...

Heh, hard disagree on that. But I'll just move on so we don't drag this thread down too . . .

This is happening right now in the thread about potential fixes to the "D&D language problem". Some posters seem upset that we're even discussing it, and the changes floated are tweaks to the existing system.

Support reasoning? No. It makes sense to me. It doesn't make sense to you. It's all made up. Neither choice is "right", it's just what we prefer. If you don't like the idea of demons having sexual characteristics or gender . . . okay, that's fine. But some folks do, and it's not because we are...

True, lore from Planescape is not necessarily more plausible, interesting, or authoritative then lore from other D&D books. But neither is it less so. Saying, "I don't care for Planescape lore." is different from insisting "Planescape lore isn't core and therefore shouldn't count in this...

Nah. Microtransactions make sense for certain types of purchases and products, less so for others. Plus, they are controversial amongst gamers. For WotC to "fix" their under-monetization problem, they need something that will not only bring in money, but do so sustainably. That could be...

It really doesn't come across that way.

Yeah . . . that's the beginning of the epic fantasy trope of the ancient empire that settled the "continent", then fell into points of light . . . EDIT: Well, after the IRL Roman Empire I suppose . . . :) But really, there would be more language drift in Gondor and especially in Eriador...

Need some help from the community! I run an after-school D&D Club for 6-8th graders (11-13 yrs old) and we have a dire shortage of DMs! Weird, I know! ;) I want to start "training" willing tweens to have the confidence to run games for their peers, so I can sit back, monitor behavior, and...

Another thing to keep in mind when comparing the real world to the fantasy world of D&D . . . Within a local region of the real world, there are limited languages being spoken . . . at least in regions without a large degree of immigration. Barring trade languages and immigrant communities, how...

The middle-earth bestiary is a lot smaller than the D&D bestiary. So, yeah, if languages are matched to species, there's gonna be less to worry about in middle-earth.

Vampires are immortal beings who not only began their existence as mortals, but exist within mortal society. Human language changes because humans, not because vampires. If the vampires in your setting have a "secret vampire language", I would assume it would be more static than the mortal...