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  1. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    They were definitely slaves and the difference between them and a sentient droid is still obviously vast. For one thing, the modifications to the Clones were minor, too minor to consider the work to be significantly different from a human. They weren't made from scratch as an independent...
  2. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    I very much do differentiate by the mode of creation. To simplify here, in the US Declaration of Independence, Jefferson writes a line about "All men being endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...". Whether you read that as a personified creator or as Jefferson probably did...
  3. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    So, in Chopper's case it is probably a response to the droid's programmed desire to serve its owner and prioritize their needs and happiness, as filtered through his experience as a droid whose owner is a rebel soldier. It's owner needs to have a droid that is a killer, and so it becomes the...
  4. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    I think Star Wars has by far the best and most thoughtful depiction of AI in all of entertainment media. I think Star Wars shows that reaching for easy classifications when the thing itself is something novel and with qualities nothing else possesses is a mistake. Is K2-S04 complicit in the...
  5. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    The irony is that Obi Wan was in ANH dressed like a farmer, not very differently than Owen Lars. This is fitting because he's presumed to be in disguise. But for some reason in the prequel trilogy, Lucas decided that those robes were now so associated with the Jedi that it would be good visual...
  6. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    If anyone is looking at the Jedi as anything but highly flawed fallible people at this point, then they aren't paying attention. Yoda and Obi Wan are coming off badly by the end of the original trilogy, and the prequels really didn't make it any better. I thought the character of Luthen fit...
  7. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    When his adopted father was hung he was arrested for attacking a Storm Trooper. That's how the Empire had an image of him in their database.
  8. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    There were lots of things that suggested Luthen was a Jedi of some sort, most importantly his monologue to Lonni which now after he's been given a backstory so doesn't fit the character that the most logical explanation is that it was all an act to keep Lonni on board. The truth is, Luthen had...
  9. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    Cassian also was in a juvenile prison much of his early life. So now it just seems like, "Cassian feels compelled to lie about everything."
  10. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    The Ghor are a wealthy people. They'll have thousands if not millions of light starships - yachts, shuttles, light freighters, etc. Unless the Empire is prepared for a total naval blockade over an extended period involving a fleet larger than massed for Endor, people will get off world. Heck...
  11. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    Like most of the Empire's ill-considered crackdowns, I would presume that even if the Empire kills off 90% of its 800 million inhabitants, the surviving 80 million provide the Rebel Alliance with 400 legions of partisans because well, they have motive now. Crapping in your own back yard has...
  12. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    No, she was not cut out of planning. She was only cut out of tactical in that they were bringing in someone who would be willing to kill Imperials to get the job done. She was given 48 hours to come up with something. This wouldn't have been hard to do. You don't need a lot of planning...
  13. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    The set up was just, "We pull back the security at the plaza a little bit and hope that this creates an armed protest even though we no longer have an insider to suggest it?" It's not smart. For example, I would have announced a "March for Peace" with loyal citizens of the Empire showing up to...
  14. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    Well, you'd think so. Seemed a bit strange to me. You spend a year engaged in armed revolt and then go to a protest? I know what the script writers were going for but of the twelve episodes I felt that was by far the weakest. Too many people jumping through stupid hoops to serve the needs...
  15. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    To be fair, it's reasonable that a droid be virtually immune to anything short of a military grade blaster rifle. What's not reasonable is that the Ghorman front at this time didn't have heavy weaponry including military grade rifles and carbines. That they were still armed with light pistols...
  16. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    Luthen casts himself as a high idealist who is knowingly adopting the methods of his enemy in order to fight them from the shadows. His backstory however doesn't present him as such, but rather as a weak failed soldier who couldn't take it anymore and who latched on to saving a girl as a means...
  17. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    I think Lonnie Jung might possibly be more of a hero than Luthen at least the way that they concluded each man's story arc (which, I admit I didn't like since I wanted Luthen to end up an unsung hero and not a failed man). Lonnie Jung seems to be a Cyril like character who really believed in...
  18. Celebrim

    What do you, personally, need a system to do for you?

    At a very basic level, it's pretty simple. Players will repeatedly throw at me doubtful propositions where the outcome isn't obvious or necessarily predictable. I need the system to provide strong guidelines for resolving those propositions in a way that is plausible and supports creation of a...
  19. Celebrim

    How long before you tire of a thread here?

    I gave up eight or nine years ago on trying to get someone to see sense if they don't seem to be making sense, not just here but everywhere. The effort required on my part is never worth the rare rewards when someone goes, "Wait... I think I see your point now." Saves a lot of frustration and...
  20. Celebrim

    Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

    I now know you've never driven a big rig. Just because something is ordinary doesn't mean it isn't heroic. That they are "doing what needs to be done" is a heck an endorsement, especially when it's something dangerous. Saying someone is "not getting something" is a really lazy way to say you...
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