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  1. innerdude

    Why do RPGs have rules?

    This, right here, is the crux of @pemerton 's thesis. The problem is that "GM narrates results" is NOT ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS. What actually happens is, "The GM makes a follow on proposal upon which the group must either agree or negotiate the resolution before play can continue." The fact...
  2. innerdude

    Why do RPGs have rules?

    I don't think this is true. At all. Rules only exist in gaming contexts to serve a purpose. In the arena of sport, it prevents one side from unilaterally declaring they won a contest that was never played. If I can declare I won a game of pick up basketball when I lost by six points, what's the...
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    Why do RPGs have rules?

    Of course it is. By selecting the Rogue class at level 1 in D&D, I am explicitly agreeing that until I gain at least 1 and possibly multiple additional levels, I can no longer declare as valid fiction, "I lay my hands on the injured warrior and divinely heal his wounds," "I cast magic missle,"...
  4. innerdude

    Why do RPGs have rules?

    Character generation is nothing more than a player declaration, "Based on previously agreed constraints of rules, genre, and GM preference, I declare that my character now has these explicit ways to interact with the fictional game state."
  5. innerdude

    Why do RPGs have rules?

    The selection of a rules system at all is a declaration by the GM. "World building" is a set of declarations by the GM. "Because I, the GM, have no wish to redesign or re-create this set of codified rules, and because those rules generally engender an assumed game state and fiction with which...
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    Why do RPGs have rules?

    GM, obviously. How many times have you played a game where GM states, "Banned PHB heritages are aasimar, tiefling, gnome, and dragonborn." The declared ban by the GM supersedes the rulebook. And by association, directly disallows the player from showing up and declaring, "My character is a...
  7. innerdude

    Why do RPGs have rules?

    So this got me thinking --- is something "unwanted" in the game's fiction a "fail state"? And if so, what actually constitutes a "fail state" in an RPG? Is it any state that any one of the players dislikes? Any two of the players? Three? Is it predicated on player participation continuing? Or...
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    Why do RPGs have rules?

    But going back to @pemerton 's original question -- what ARE rules for? Some of Vincent Baker's thoughts only make sense in the context of a game where there's a need to carry over gamestate information across situational contexts, and where the conceptualization of the "rational actor" that...
  9. innerdude

    Why do RPGs have rules?

    You said it better than I did, for the record. The entire conception of the RPG "living world" essentially rests on the assumption that the GM is allowed broad power to "say things at the table" regarding "what is true" about the fictional space, and that the "things (s)he is allowed to say" can...
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    Why do RPGs have rules?

    This, this right here? This is BY FAR the most difficult idea to shake coming from "trad" play styles. The notion of "the world the characters live in," that it somehow has its own independent existence outside the shared space of play. The fact that the GM can spout fountains of lore...
  11. innerdude

    Critical Role Announces Two New RPGs

    I imagine that the terms of most RPG licensing agreements have minimal revenue implications to the license holder after the initial agreement is signed and paid. Disney’s cut of royalties for copies sold is probably miniscule or possibly nonexistent. It would likely cost them more money to...
  12. innerdude

    On "Illusionism" (+)

    Even outside the discussion of illusionism, it's fascinating how often people inevitably live up to our expectations/projections of them. Go into a game believing and projecting that everyone is capable of sincere, earnest play in adherence to rules and the overall good humor and well being of...
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    On "Illusionism" (+)

    I .... literally cannot make heads nor tails of this description of play, the reasoning behind it, nor what possible expected end result was satisfactory for the players involved. If this is your assumed manner of "handling" people as a GM ... and from your comments this is par for the course...
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    Question for Stonetop backers - pdf pre-order

    Very simple question - if I purchase the pdf pre-order from Backerkit, do I get access to the current beta material right away?
  15. innerdude

    What is the current Star Wars game?

    Even if you don't like the system, the Edge / FFG game books are great for lore. I happen to like the system and was playing it regularly until I moved last fall, but the lore is really well done. Every book is chock full of GM plot hooks, ideas, places. The Dawn of Rebellion source book has...
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    Of Mooks, Plot Armor, and ttRPGs

    At one point I coined the phrase "principled illusionism" as an analogue to "imaginary naturalism", but it was still too "loaded" a term, as illusionism is seen as bad, and the worst kind of GM-ing generally. But it's the right idea. D&D adherents of "living world" aren't at all interested in...
  17. innerdude

    Of Mooks, Plot Armor, and ttRPGs

    Exploratory question for you, @bloodtide -- how many years have you participated in the RPG hobby, and what systems have you used? Truly just curious, wanting to get a sense of where you're coming from. What types of GMs have you played with in your earliest participation in the hobby? Were...
  18. innerdude

    Of Mooks, Plot Armor, and ttRPGs

    I appreciate your input and desire to engage with the ideas being presented by @Manbearcat and @The Shadow. It's difficult to conceive of the kinds of techniques and playstyles they're describing unless you've experienced them first hand. I similarly struggled for a long period of time until I...
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    Of Mooks, Plot Armor, and ttRPGs

    At the point in time I read the baseline / core GNS essays on the Forge (sometime around 2016) I would have called myself a gamist/simulationist hybrid, with slight leaning to simulationism. I personally didn't find the core essays to be terribly biased against simulationism, and as far as I...
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    D&D Movie/TV What will be the end credits scene for the D&D Movie? (Wrong / silly answers only.)

    Chris Pine sits on the floor of a rustic inn, strumming his lute to a tune he's writing. "There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold And she's buying a stairway to heaven." Michelle Rodriguez: "Stairway to heaven? Isn't that a bit poncy even by your standards? No one's going to buy...
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