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I cannot talk for @clearstream . I think I am engaged in several layers of this. - On the level of game I have expressed strong sceptisism with regard to whe value of having a "simukationist" classification at all. - On the level of play I have tried to amplify @clearstream 's recent musings...

I think this puts word to a central concept I have been circling around myself. To what extent is the character the game? I now realise this might indeed just be a facet of a much more profound observation about the distribiton of creative input. If we take the hard core old school as a...

I just wanted to confirm your notion regarding my use, ref I also wanted to say I believe it might be possible to look at certain instances of play, and look for simulative value in them. I am afraid we are far from having the kind of framework needed in terms of common langue to get good...

Well, the concepts of aether, and phlogiston was around for quite a while as well..

Who say there have to exist a meaningfully analytical category related to the concept of simulation?

Maybe. I haven't spotted so many concrete examples. Very much have been abstract, and then I tend to assume they are talking about more fundational things until clear evidence suggest otherwise. This is as you can imagine something I would love to talk about! :D The revelation part of setting...

Maybe But did you see @Lanefan 's post #19,056? D&D General - [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting. I think it looks deceptively similar. We have question as of why the player would want to play that concept. Power reasons are singled out as common, and problematic (which make...

I do not want to be associated with that claim. For one thing, it is far from obvious to me that (i) and (ii) is applicable to the situation. Another thing is that (ii) appear to be (modified) GNS, which I do not like being mixed into the context of clearstream's experiences. A third thing...

Oh. I almost misread you there. I first tought you were talking about general play of the rpg, but you are apparently talking about the particular instant of play. This changes my answer. Do you remememer some hundred pages ago how you rejected my attempts of reading something GNS-like into...

Exactly! I don't know. And hence I am not sure why would you object to Lanefan, not knowing if they are likely to use the same process?

My impression is that this type of assumption is very widespread indeed. This is one of the reasons I find Knave 2ed very tempting. It seem like a relatively clean sheet, with nothing but a human and whatever they have in their inventory (and stats that act like class levels) (Edit...

But would you insist on playing a plane-touched even after you were politely informed that that would be very peculiar indeed, as in this world all known planes of existence colapsed into each other in the great sundering, and the game is set on the last known reality-bouble 1000 years after...

Ok. In that case I think I would consider using the powers that come with the position in trad for enforcing anything that seem to match your "bright lines", abuse. It should be reserved for what you seem to consider fundamental uses. I think we might have slightly difference in stance with...

Fair enough. Thank you for replying. I found your answers nice, and I new spark of inspirarion for where the communication might have been lead astray. I think this might be a critical observation that might have blindsided me! I am a former teacher and non-native speaker. For me throwing out...

I am confused. To the first, yes, I am absolutely introducing things to the fiction. I spelled that out in two of my examples. That was the entire point. I did it, not my support material. I had a long reply to your second question, but I hope the essence is covered in the previous paragraph...

They play something that feels sufficiently like a tiefling to that particular player at least. Is it a tiefling though? I would say no in the context of what started this reply chain. Can it be called a tiefling? Sure thing! Ah! I am so sorry! I misremembered your post when I wrote this last...

This we agree on :)

You quoted me, so I feel like replying. In my view I have yet to come across an RPG not able to provide me a simulationist experience per my understanding of @clearstream 's description. If that is the defining criteria for "simumationistic", then yes I would consider all RPGs simulationistic...

So when you are at a resturant and ask for another glass of water - and the waiter happens to be free to immediately and without question fulfill your request, you have exerted absolute power over the waiter? Or have you by chance at any point in this conversation with me started to respond...

No, absolutely not!!! I see my mistake! I am sorry! For some reason I had an image in my in mind about the way wine tasters and music enthusiasts appear to be able to recognise subtle differences other's cannot when I was writing this. But that is a completely wrong image in this case! I think...