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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This idea go back to the forge times. It was a huge deal then. It is not about the spesific elements, but rather about the entire design philosophy of spelling out the roles of players and GM in a way that bound a GM to something, and that this something should be player visible. For instance if...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I think this has an obvious bias though. For one thing I think the worst offenders would normally not feel comfortable running a public game. The loss of control associated with running the game for strangers are likely not something someone with strong tendencies toward that trait would happily...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Ah, I think I might have evidence something has changed in this regard though. The big one being if this data is prior to the advent of online play as a real option. I think many a tyrannical DMs might have found their player base evaporate with the advent of relative ease of seeking out...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It seem to me like D&D has given up on producing solid teaching material, rather recognising that D&D community has adapted an apprenticeship approach to teaching new DMs. That is they find a group with an existing DM, learn the ropes of the game by playing, and starts their DMing career by...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Interesting. I actually have never come across a IRL person complaining about GM authority abuse. And I have also been reasonably active in the community. It sound like there might be some culture difference somewhere. Are your data from the US by chance? I have heard rumors there might be a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Where? I would of course not point it out in the middle of the session unless it was really outrageous. Shuffle it to after play, where the rules of the game is no longer at work. Then I am no longer saying it as a player at all :)
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You have done a large scale questionnaire with care to avoid bias in participant selection? :O I would absolutely love to see the results! I mean it, I am sort of a statistics nerd!
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Indeed there is recourse beyond walking. Social enforcement has a lot more tools up it's sleve than that. First I would do is merely pointing out that I found the situation unpleasant. If you have a halfway decent DM that alone should be enough to trigger some emotional response in them that is...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    2 out of the 4 completely separate groups I have run more than one-shot for. The other 2 didn't get into a situation putting this to the test. I think that make the position this situation is exceptional somewhat statistically dubious.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    At all tables? Or at some tables? I guess there is a missing negation in this sentence? Anyway, it seem like my group of friends felt a need of me "being in charge all the way". I do not feel that much of a need myself. As referenced above, they disliked it when I bound myself to the rules.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    But one person do not have all the power in this scope! The social dynamics at play in a typical game group rarely look like what you describe here. When we say the GM is not bound by any of the game rules, that is a voulentary social agreement between everyone that wants to participate in the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It is impossible to say without knowing the game. But PbtA tend to have the same basic building blocks that keep D&D grounded. That is each player only get control over one character, the capabilities of that character is limited to a limited list of moves, and there is a GM that controls the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Social contract is a couple of steps over rules in big model isn't it? That is when we talk about not bound by rules we are talking inside the scope of play, not that we somehow suddenly are free to murder our friends litterarily with no consequence?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This is interesting. We indeed have very common backgrounds. I absolutely see your point. It actually in a way strikes me as more humanity-optimistic than my own instincts. My major was in general relativity, but I got pretty deep in quantum mechanics as well. And I can see these theories as the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I am driven by curiosity tough (witch killed the cat). I really would like to see the arguments against the FK concept, as I know I have been over exposed to the other side in the past. I enter with an open mind, and I really try to express that. If I come across as overly argumentative or...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The amateur-player hypotesis could be used as an possible explenaton for either of the FK hypoteses if true as they modulate the subjective "better". However all FK hypoteses I proposed might be false even if this one is true. Authorial-expertise doesn't seem like a hypotesis, but rather a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Absolutely. I didn't realise before it was to late I painted myself into one of the corners. My intention was really to point out that I had observed there is a dispute (something I thought was uncontroversial). I didn't expect my self to have to advocate the validity of either side the way I...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Thank you! Just to preempt some possible bad words. I think the hard FK hypothesis "is solid". I now realize that is a poor choice of words. I am too used to scientific thinking. First I want to divert attention to me acknowledging that this hypothesis is disputed. I want to emphasize I think...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Fully agreed. And this is one of the reasons it is hard to get traction on resolving this dispute.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Back in the day it was quite some fanfare around this move to distinguish it from mathfinder. Less addition FTW! Not very surprised if they have backpedaled a bit on it on 2024, though the SRD still seem to keep the same formulation in it's armor section at least. The "base AC" is given by the...
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