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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't think BitD has much in common with any of the three RPGs I mentioned. It uses a different way of establishing opposition; a different resolution system; a different PC advancement system. What do you think is similar? Have you read the rules for Burning Wheel, Torchbearer 2e or Marvel...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    @TwoSix knows these things because I posted them on these threads, and I am able to provide accurate and reliable accounts of my own play experiences. I don't know what you mean by "tricky". It's clear that a player in MHRP, in declaring an action, has to state what effect they are attempting to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    How much first hand experience do you have of MHRP? Burning Wheel? Torchbearer 2e? As I said, I am confident in my knowledge of the incentive structures of those games. They do not work like you say. Perhaps there are elements of those games you're ignorant of? I don't know.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So if I want to know whether I should take the left road or the right road, Guidance will tell me? Like Augury but for free?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I trust my own experience, over conjectures that are not founded on experience. I know what the incentive structure of the RPGs I play is, because I've seen it at work.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    When you make assertions, I'm not obliged to agree with them just because you make them. You don't like player authorship, direct or mediated via rules, unless the thing the player authors (directly or indirectly) is also something that the player's character produces, via their actions, in the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You don't like my play. You'd rather it not be? Its existence irks you? Wrongs you? Quite odd to me.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't know what this means. As in what does it mean to "not agree" with how someone else plays a game? Some people enjoy wargaming. I don't, really, That doesn't mean I "don't agree" with their way of doing things! You are also positing some weird monomania on the part of each RPGer. When I...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And as you know, I find your play too much of a railroad.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What does necessity have to do with it? Not everyone who plays RPGs wants to engage in nothing but map-and-key play. It's not some bizarre deviance from an obvious norm.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not talking about preferences. I'm talking about accurate description. I mean, if I said that I find your game silly because in your game fighters kill Orcs by rolling polyhedral dice, I'm guessing you'd object. (I'm also a bit puzzled that you take my reply to @Micah Sweet to be addressed...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    To me, it's not evident, given that multiple posters keep asserting what is false, namely, that the character caused the runes to mean one thing rather than another by hoping.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'd say also their cognitive state (using that phrase loosely, to encompass imagining X as well as believing X, conjecturing X, etc). And a bit more on this issue: Suppose that you are looking at a celestial body, and conjecture "That's the morning star." Given that the morning star is the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Obviously they don't. What makes you think I haven't worked that out? So you really are incapable of understanding play using methods different from your own? You're like a soccer fan who literally can't grasp how players of American football aren't cheating every time they pick up and carry the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In MHRP specialities are chosen from a list. Distinctions are free descriptors. The specialties in my Fantasy Hack are: Acrobatics; Arcana; Combat; Crafting; Cunning; Healing; Intimidation; Lore; Outdoor; Performance; Religious; Riding; Social; Trading Drawing the boundaries is, in my...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The player didn't change the state of the fictional world. The fictional world was in a constant state - there were runes before the PC read them, and runes after, and what they mean didn't change.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Obviously those are not the only possibilities. How do you know? What is the character seeing? What does the character know, from their travels? I know that you prefer a game where the player has to ask the GM to tell them what their PC knows and remembers, because you find that more immersive...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Given that what you call a "quibble" is fundamental to any coherent discussion of imaginary things then yes, I am "quibbling" about it. I mean, there are a billion posts in this thread asserting that the fiction has content and consequences and generates entailments that no one has thought of...
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